Presented by Dan Baxley
This article was taken from a blog defending of the Book of Enoch and declaring it as fact. It follows the basic premise, as others, that this Book of Enoch, a work of “fiction”, is actually scripture and thus it is true. I have interjected my opposing view to the author’s defense and believe you will see how weak the arguments are in support of this fictional work. A modern, historical, work that not only contradicts scripture but has no support in fact. Some us this work of fantasy promoting it as fact in support of their own work of fables and doctrines that border on the “worship of angels”. The formidable Chuck Missler, or Koine House, has been spear heading this work, promoting this false doctrine ad nauseam. His work in this area says that angels were the "sons of God" mentioned in Genesis 6, that they (spirit beings) married human women and from this fanciful fable, produced giant children called the Nephilim. This false teaching is seeping into the Evangelical Church like rain through a leaky roof.
Barnes Notes on Enoch: This book was discovered in an AEthiopic version, and was published with a translation by Dr. Laurence of Oxford, in 1821, and republished in 1832. A full account of it and its contents may be seen in an article by Prof. Stuart in the Bib. Repository for January 1840, pp. 86-137.
Notice the dating of this quote, 1821AD not BC. The creation of this Book of Enoch in circulation today was cobbled together from 1821 AD to 1832 AD, all other dates before this are really unknown, only guesses supported by the magical super Rabbis of old – actually, It appears they are the source for this fabled material. Little wonder, then, that this modern resurgence of this teaching is tied to the modern view of the UFO scene.
I hope this presentation will ground you in the truth and firm you up against this kind of false teaching that actually, eventually, leads away from the Messiah and the need for our Savior. This teaching that angels married women, had babies that grew into giants, the Nephilim, removes the exceptional miracle of our Lord coming in flesh as our Savior -- after all, according to Missler and others this gift has been an ability angels have always had, so our Heavenly Father producing Himself as a Father to a son, YaHshua, by the miracle of His Holy Spirit is no big deal, how could it be, if angels have been doing this all along? Do you see where this false teaching leads? Read what follows, with my comments added along the way, a pro and con in exposing this lie.
Re: The Book of Enoch Exposed: (The Defense) by Blogger at --
Blogger of the site now speaks: I’ve been receiving a lot of ignorant comments concerning the book of Enoch from a lot of well-meaning folks out there. A lot of their comments are taken from an article written by the author of jesus-is-savior.com - Ridiculous
I am writing this article in order to answer future questions about the book, since doing so in individual basis seems to be a never ending task.
I will answer the points found in www.jesus-is-savior.com, but before I do, I will open my defense of Enoch with the following statements: The book of Enoch was written about 4000 years before the birth of Christ and also predates all the books in the bible.
Before the Old Testament, people were reading the Book of Enoch.
Servant’s Comment: This is a pure fabrication of the truth. There is absolutely no evidence for this statement whatsoever. This author is just making noise, he is muttering and chirping (Isa 8:19). It is very noticeable that he cannot give one source to back up this false statement, certainly not from Scripture. Apparently, just saying something that cannot be proven makes it fact. Now who is being ridiculous? The age of pieces and parts that became the Book of Enoch, and this is guessing, would be around 300 BC, a tad bit short of 4,000 BC -- to confirm this go to this link -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch
Blogger Point # 1 - The bible says that Enoch walked with God 365 years before God took him alive into heaven. So are we led to believe that such a righteous man lived on earth that long without writing something that would edify future generations?
Servant’s Comment: Again the author of this blog is making up his own facts. Genesis 5:23-24 does not say he was taken “alive into Heaven” and ignores a couple of New Testament sources (1 Cor 15:50 and John 3:13). Genesis says YHWH “took him” but to where we are not told. Also, verse 23 tells us all of the years of Enoch were 365, does that say he lived on? No, it tells us his life was 365 years and no more -- it does not say "God took him ALIVE into heaven", as this Blogger in defense of the Book of Enoch states. Remember, our Savior, YaHshua, said no man is Heaven, only the one that is from Heaven can go to Heaven (John 3:13, cannot quote this enough), Enoch was not from Heaven. Even the bogus Book of Enoch states that no one knew where Enoch was; only that he could not be found –they did not know where his grave was and according to the writings the people of that time looked for him but no one suggested he, Enoch, had gone to heaven. Even in the first chapter of the Book of Enoch the writer, referring to Enoch says he was shown "visions", not that he ever went to Heaven. Also, in Chapter 10 of this spurious book, Noah is told to go and hide himself from what is to come. Enoch was long gone by that time. If you read this work you will see much you can agree with but a lot of fiction, fables and outright lies. The true feeling of this work is not that Enoch is writing it, but someone else is -- someone is telling us about what Enoch saw in visions and goes on to tell us about things Enoch could never have had any knowledge. Enoch was taken, but we know not where, certainly not to Heaven.
We find a similar thing with Moses. No one knows where YaHWeH took him, we are only told his days were 120 years and to this day no one has any idea of where he is buried. Hum, wonder who wrote that part of the Book of Enoch (chapter 12 of the Book of Enoch), telling us Enoch could not be found then saying Enoch was recognized by the "watchers" as a scribe and told to write a warning to those watchers that had taken wives from among men? Also the narrative of the Book of Enoch speaks of Enoch and tells us about his adventures with the fallen angels, as if someone else is writing about Enoch, it flips and flops back and forth -- I do not believe it is Enoch telling the story at all? If it is Enoch's writings then going on this assumption we should expect to find piles of books from Adam, Seth and Methuselah who live hundreds of years longer than Enoch. So, where are the books of Adam and Seth, men of righteousness? The reasoning is faulty. If it is by the number of years for the writing books to be a consideration we should note that Enoch’s years were very lean compared to others of his generation. We would also have to assume a book such as this actually survived the flood and would have to have been brought over by Noah. We find no mention from Noah, or anyone else suggesting he brought the book of Enoch over.
Blogger Point # 2 - The book of Enoch prophesied of the coming messiah the “Son of man” who would be the Savior of the world. Again, about 4000 years before the birth of Christ
Servant’s Comment: This is a pointless argument. You have to assume without any proof at all that the book of Enoch is dated that far back and you would have to assume someone could even read it. It has only been in recent history that the writings of the Sumerians could be read, let alone a supposed book written in the language of pre-flood people. This is not a proof of any kind for the validity of the Book of Enoch. The Blogger, in point #2, draws on Jude 6 quote. As mentioned before, not everything the Book of Enoch professes is a lie. Satan did not lie to Eve in the Garden, completely, no he merely suggested God YaHWeH was not telling all of the truth. Satan's subtle ability, like the Book of Enoch does not come right out and say our Savior is a liar but suggests it. YaHshua, our Savior, says angels do not marry, and they do not give in marriage but the Book of Enoch says otherwise. YaHshua our Savior says, no man has ever gone to heaven, but the Book of Enoch says otherwise. Satan told Eve, surely you shall not die, but the Word of God YaHWeH said otherwise. So, who should you believe? (John 3:18; 1:18, 1 John 4:12, 1 Cor 15:50)
Blogger Point # 3 - The contents of the Book of Enoch validate the bible, before the bible was ever written. When I read this book, it just strengthened my faith in God and the bible.
Servant’s Comment: So, without the Book of Enoch your faith would be lessened? Who needs the Book of Enoch? What purpose does it serve outside of the Scriptures we have? None. Some teach the false doctrine of angels having sex with humans, a Jewish fable about angels taking wives and having giant children. They like to quote from this Book of Enoch as proof, pushing this doctrine of lies.
It is a packed with lies? How can I say that? When a book of fables is taken as fact all we have to do is first use common sense when it comes to some of the outrageous things mentioned (Giants 240 feet tall, eating up all of the animals and then eating people) and taken as fact. Then, we can go to other sources to see if the writing of this book is supported by other historical authors and finally, really the first choice, we go to the Word of God, YaHshua, our Savior – what does He say, what does the Holy Bible say? There is no historical support for the Book of Enoch other than those quoting themselves and the quotes by other people chasing after the doctrine of devils.
(2Ti 4:4) And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned to fables.
(2Pe 1:16) For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord YaHshua the Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
(Tit 1:13-14) This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
There are many sources for this -- that the "fable" of "god" has a Jewish source, and the mythical side of Judaism (Ultra-Orthodox, some Orthodox, and the kabala groups quote from the Book of Enoch as if it is scripture. The following link is a good Jewish source for a balanced handling of this subject -- This source presents the error in this line of thinking and does admit a certain teaching by Jewish and Israeli beliefs in fallen angels.
YaHshua plainly says -- angels are neither male nor female -- and He also says that when we, the sons and daughters of God today (2 Cor 6:18), enter eternity like the angels, neither marrying nor giving in marriage, with Spirit bodies quickened, literally born again. In other words, no need to reproduce but love will endure, a better more fulfilling love. Our moments of ecstasy will be greater and more uplifting than we can imagine. Too many cannot imagine life without sex -- our Heavenly Father says that we cannot imagine the things He has in store for us. I would like to find out, wouldn't you?
(Mat 22:30) For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Some teachers make an unbelievable statement when confronted with the verse. They say, “Ah, but this is talking about ‘angels in heaven’, not on earth” – incredible, absolutely incredible denial of the truth. It is a comparison of the resurrected humans to angels, not to a place but to a condition. I suppose our Savior should have included the whole universe in His comparison. Preachers that have been tagged as genius have used this faulty reasoning in attempts to support their lust for this false teaching – shame on them.
These teachers are then saying our Messiah and Savior is not telling us the truth. We either believe our Savior or the words from a book that is of questionable sources? If you accept the pure word and what it plainly says, which is what our Savior clearly is saying then it is not you and it is not me that make this judgment, though we should be qualified to do just that, but it is the judgment of our God and Savior, by His word, not ours.
Blogger Point # 4 - Now, Peter & Jude both quoted favorably from the Book of Enoch and called Enoch a prophet. That means that if the bible identifies Enoch as a prophet, then we should expect prophesies from that prophet, in the form of writings in which prophecies were recorded in.
Servant’s Comment: Rubbish. “Speak favorably?” Again the author of this blog interjects his own desire. Hebrews 11:5, speaks of Enoch finding favor with YHWH through faith and that he was “translated” to some other place, taken somewhere after living 365 years. I’m guessing YHWH did this for Enoch so he would not have to see how horrible mankind was becoming. Nowhere does it say he was taken to Heaven. Again, to say he went to Heaven would contradict what our Lord told us, and He should know. Let YaHshua remind us of this fact, this true biblical fact from the mouth of our Savior –
(John 3:13) And no man has ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
(John 1:18) No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
(1Jn 4:12) No man has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwells in us, and his love is perfected in us.
Again the author and others lusting after this worship of angels deny the truth revealed to us by YaHshua, our Savior. Who are you going to believe? Enoch was taken, where we do not know but one place he did not go and that is to Heaven. He is not still alive, he had 365 years.
Also, the letter to the Hebrews in chapter 22 verse 5 that this blog author refers to was written by the Apostle Paul, not Peter. The other place in the New Testament where Enoch is mentioned is in Jude 1:14. What this verse really points out, and is missed by most, is that the Gospel of the Coming of the Kingdom, the Coming of YaHshua as King of Kings was preached to the sons of Adam by Enoch. Not all preachers of “faith” are prophets in the sense most think of prophets today. King David was called a prophet, as well as Moses and they too preached the Kingdom of God to come. But, in the New Testament we read of prophets, and prophetess in the church but we have none of their writings, only a record of their existence in the first century church. Two small remarks mentioning Enoch and even less of others called prophets except for the accepted writings of the Prophets of Israel. Enoch was never considered as being a part of the Holy Bible. The Book of Enoch never existed until much later, not 4000 years before the Messiah.
Blogger Point # 4 - Enoch was not quoted once, but at least 2 times by different prophets. In the bible, all God’s prophets reaffirm one another. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. (Can we say that this is a coincidence that God tells us this verse twice in the bible? – Deuteronomy 19:15, & 2 Corinthians 13:1)
88888 Servant’s Comment: Enoch is mentioned, but is he quoted? No, he is not quoted. Two things are established by the two witnesses. First, that Enoch existed and the second is that Enoch preached the Gospel of the Coming Kingdom – Jude 1:14. A Book of Enoch is not quoted, as are the other prophets, so what we have is confirmation that a man lived during the time Adam lived. That’s it, nothing to support the fictional writings of what is called, the Book of Enoch.
Blogger Point # 5 - If Enoch walked with God as a righteous man for 365 years as the bible stated, then the man would of have to had been inspired by God to write what he wrote, even more so than those who wrote the Old testament who were not as righteous of the level of Enoch, nor lived as long as Enoch.
Servant’s Comment: Again, this is all based on a false premise. Enoch preached the Gospel to the sons of Adam and Enoch live 365 years. That’s it. Paul said that Enoch did not see death, that he was translated (Heb 11:5), but there is a problem here, this understanding would be a direct contradiction of our Savior's words, which Paul would have been aware of. Either Paul is a mistranslation, or Enoch is still here somewhere, having survived the flood, never seeing death, etc., because our Savior tells us he cannot be in Heaven – read again, John 3:13 and John 6:46 and John 1:18 – three witnesses – 1John 4:12 a forth scriptural witness -- after all, if you are in Heaven certainly you would see God? YaHshua tells us no man has ever gone to Heaven, outside of visions or dreams, no flesh and blood person has ever gone to Heaven. So, this translation of Enoch must mean something else, and the "not seeing death" is alluding to something else, or it is a biased opinion inserted by a translator or scribe to support a personal belief or teaching. Genesis tell us Enoch "lived" 365 years -- what comes after "lived", death, of course. From that one remark we can determine Enoch died after 365 years. If he were living eternally his years would most certainly be more than 365. We can see all kinds of problems with sending Enoch to Heaven and giving him eternity before YaHshua, who is called the FIRST of many, the First Fruit, not the second or the third, which would be counting Elijah too. First Enoch, then Elijah, then our Savior? Hum, no, I don't think so, otherwise you might as well toss all of the New Testament out because it is based upon our Savior, YaHshua, being the FIRST of many born of the God of Heaven. James 1:18, Hebrews 12:23, 1 Cor 15:20; 23,
(John 3:3) YaHshua answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. (YaHshua's words, "Except a man be born again", and to be born from this flesh to eternal Spirit will require the "resurrection")
Blogger Speaks: Having been given all these points to begin with; I also found that the opening of the book of Enoch begins with explaining that the book is intended for a future & distant generation far off. I tend to believe, we are that generation. That would explain the book resurfacing in the 1940's in the dead sea scrolls, along with many other books from the bible.
Servant's Comments: If you read the reference quoted from Barnes Notes at the beginning of this presentation you will have seen that this Book of Enoch is a translation, of questionable sources, produced in 1821 AD. This is not a "resurfacing" in the 40's from the Dead Sea Scrolls, much less have survived the Flood, as the defenders of this Book assume, suggest, teach.
Blogger Speaks: Now, since the book explains the origins of demons and the fall of certain angels that fornicated with women, that also explains, witchcraft, drugs, and our technology and so called UFO and alien sightings. (The book of Enoch says that the fallen angels taught humans these things.)
Servant’s Comment: Wow, so now it is the giant offspring, the result of angels fornicating with flesh and blood -- no wait, not fornicating, because they "married" women, so it would not be "fornicating" but legal, shared sex, or intercourse as married couples -- remember, they took wives (I'm making a sarcastic remark). These angels would never be called "sons of God" if they were "fallen angels". It would be far more likely they would be called devils and demons, or the "angels of Satan" (Mat 25:41). To say they can have offspring means they have sperm and a male part, and, gee, like men. Opps -- Yahshua said they were neither male nor female. This is all nonsense and borders, as I have said before, on the worship of angels, demon angels. When I read my Bible I see nothing about the giant children of angels teaching mankind anything. What We I do read is that the children of Cain were talented inventors and developed iron work and the making of musical instruments, city builders, but not one word about any angel teaching them (Gen 4:17, 21-22). I suppose we humans are blameless, according to this false teaching that angels taught man everything -- on top of this, according to the Book of Enoch, it is the fallen angels that are the cause of man’s fall, and so we are blameless and have no need of a Savior. The line of thinking used by this Blogger and others undermines the Gospel message and the reason YaHshua had to come as our Savior. It is a denial of Yahshua as Savior and putting the blame for our sin on others, on the angels. Remember the old excuse, “The devil made me do it”, therefore it is not me but the devil angel that is at fault.
Blogger Speaks: We actually have an explanation for the Hindu gods, advance civilizations, and so called “aliens from other planets”. Now, knowing this, and knowing how the churches are being controlled, should we wonder why the main stream churches deny and fight against the book of Enoch? Every program we see on TV concerning the book of Enoch, all dismiss it & sway the audiences into not believing in the book. We see the same exact thing in the 501c3 mainstream state churches. People are being taught & conditioned to believe that the book is either fake, or heresy. This is designed to keep people away from learning the truth about fallen angels, demons, & aliens which are closely one of the same.
Servant’s Comment: We are told in the New Testament scriptures that as we approach the end days of man’s rule there will be a falling away and we are told about the end-time church thinking it is spiritually rich but is not. Every indication is that there is great delusion and deception from what was understood before. What was understood before? Read the New Testament and we know the message of Christ, we know the Gospel of the coming Kingdom of God. So, as we approach the end days are we then to trust new, different, strange teachings as being the real truth uncovered, or should we be suspicious. It would make sense to me, and I hope you, that anything we hear now, that has not been preached before by the Apostles or from the mouth of YaHshua should be ignore so we, the elect, are not taken in by this delusion. Here is the warning –
(2Th 2:9-11) Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
(2Th 2:3) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
A falling away first, before He returns, and what do you suppose that means? What it means to me is that those who buy into the lying wonders, all deceivableness shadowed in the false appearance of righteousness will being in a time when professing believers will fall from the original truth and accept the lies as truth, things that excites their natural lusts, with images of angels, or aliens from outer-space having sex with humans. Then God will confirm their lust for the doctrine of demons by putting a strong delusion, like the point of no return. This will be like their Creator saying, ‘If this is what you want, then this is what you will get’.
Blogger Speaks: Now, since I have done a lot of reading & a lot of research, I recognize the teachings of the 501c3 church & I know when people are just quoting other people and passing it as facts. This is what this writer from jesus-is-savior.com has done when he echoes exactly what the 501c3 pastors teach in their state churches against Enoch.
Servant’s Comment: Here we see the pot calling the kettle black.
There is more to this exchange but this should serve to put you on the alert and to look into the matter with caution, if you want. The following website is a good source for exposing this false teaching and is worth a look. Know your enemy.
One more thing when considering the Book of Enoch as fact or fiction -- In this book of fables, we have the outrageous tale of the "giants", eating all the sheep and other animals ultimately turning on men and eating them, but before this we have the number of the rebel angels -- 200 in number, meeting to agree to a common goal of rebellion. We see in Revelation 12 that Satan, in his fall took a third of the angels with him, so, are we then to assume there would only be 600 angels? Jude tells us that even Enoch taught there were tens of thousands of angels. The Book of Enoch is not the book of the Enoch of Genesis 5, it is a fictional writing.
Check out this link for more on this -- if you want.
I may follow up on this with the continuing debate. Time will tell. Hopefully this will serve as a heads up in the new age invasion preaching the doctrines of fallen angels copulating with flesh, having children, UFO abductions and other such nonsense, all ultimately leading to the denial of YaHshua as Savior. No, they do not say it outright and live in a kind of deception themselves, but the reality in this false teachings, this doctrine of demons, down plays the birth of our Savior, the miracle of God coming in the Flesh and elevates angels even above our Savior and gives them credit for something only Satan and his demons could desire in their twisted view. The Angels of our God are servants and they stand by on many occasions listening in to the conversations of the Children of God to hear what is revealed to them, and in this we see that it is not the Angels teaching us but they that are learning from us things our Heavenly Father makes known to us by His Spirit.
(1Pe 1:12) Unto whom it was revealed (prophets of old), that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
Peace to you in His Name, YaHshua