Sons of God, Job 1:2
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Explain Job 1:6 – Sons of God
I think you may need to see Job 1:6, 2:1 and maybe rethink your article about angels taking wives and baring children that indeed were Giants. I believe it will challenge your thought process on the subject. It also explains the flood and why it had to happen. Also genesis 6: 9. Noah being perfect in his generations meaning genealogy. Untainted gene pool. J.
Speaking as a Brother in the Faith -- out of love and concern:
I have written on this at some length and suggest you read all of the article I have written on this. And I have covered the verses you provide in some detail. First off, show me where, in the Hebrew Bible that it says the offspring of the sons of god and the daughters of men are the Nephilim?
If you read that verse carefully, you will see that it actually says, that in the days this was going on, when the sons of god took wives, in those same times and day of Noah that there were GIANTS on the earth, nowhere does it say these are the children of these illicit unions. Nephilim is a Hebrew word, or English transliteration of the Hebrew word that means, in English, "giants". It is much more provocative, however, to use the Hebrew term --
If you say it is the angels that are the reason for the Great flood then we are guiltless and it was unjust for the Creator to destroy all mankind because of these bad angels. Also, ask yourself, why would glorious immortals want to copulate with pieces of dirt? And, why would such beings bother with taking Wives? The nonsense in all these teachings about Angels having to marry women so they could have babies by them is a disgrace and should be easily seen for what it is. (Mat 22:30)
Consider this: If angels had the ability to procreate then what our Heavenly Father did in the miracle birth of YaHshua would have been no miracle at all as the Angels have been doing this all along. Next, ask yourself, are there wicked angels present today? Well, Satan for one, right, Satan and His Angels (Rev 12), right? So, where are all the Nephilim today, did the wicked angels suddenly become eunuchs? Don't you see how silly this is?
In Job 1:6 and 2:1, the Hebrew word can be translated as "servants" as easily as it was "sons of god", and in previous writings I have demonstrated this very thing when good angels confronted human men of god and identified themselves, not as sons, but as servants. (Rev 22:9) And one other thing to consider when you reread Job, aren't we told that Satan, a rebel angel, came among them, among these "servants of God"? Satan was not included in that group was he? Well, if Satan is not counted as one of the sons of god then neither are his angels. While some twist the meaning of Job in circles the fact remains, Satan was not included in their number. Also, Rebel Angels would never be called "Sons of God", ever. The "sons of God" in Gen 6 is addressing the beginning of the "Fall of all mankind", the true believers had allowed themselves to become polluted by taking pagan wives which corrupted the true worship of YaHWeH. If you read Gen 6 and 7 you see it is about the fall of mankind not about the sexual fall of spirit beings. This had nothing to do with race and everything to do about religion and who the true God worthy of worship is.
Another point to consider: Our Lord told of what the approaching end days would be like -- "Like the days of Noah". (Mat 24:37, 2 Pet 2:5) -- from those days only 8 survived and of only one we know for sure was considered to still be pure, a preacher of righteousness. This does not sound like a world being punished because angels decided to marry humans -- and they, the angels, being neither male nor female? Who would they accomplish such a thing?
Listen J, we can disagree on various facets of the things we have not seen fully yet, we can disagree on things not of our Salvation but this is one false teaching that all believers and professing believers need to deal with and see the truth. This is a salvation issue because this false teaching is degrading the coming of our Lord, it is giving power to fall angels they do not have, it is, in a way, Angel Worship, making them equal to our Savior, even our Heavenly father, by being able to procreate -- and guess what? This is exactly what Satan and his angels have always wanted, to be worshiped as gods, and this teaching, if accepted does just that.
Next, the only authority for this false teaching, a teaching that throws a shadow over the Birth of our Messiah, are those we hold up on a pedestal in religious admiration, thinking they cannot be fooled when just the opposite is true -- even the best of teachers have fallen for this deception and have stuck their necks out there so far, with books and DVD presentation they have managed to deceive even themselves (2 Tim 3:13, "...deceiving and being deceived...")
And finally: The only real authority in the works of books is the Book of Enoch. This is the Book compiled from the origins of Jewish fables found in the Talmuds, not the Scriptures. I know, they tell us how these writings were found in Ethiopia and then translated into English, but they originally came from BC Jewish writings credited to the Talmud, not the Bible. If you have ever read this source, so many of the deceivers like to quote, you will find the Nephilim were over 200 feet tall. Imagine that, and I wonder how big these babies would have been at birth? My, my, poor women. The magazine, Popular Mechanics, did an investigative article on the movie monster, Godzilla, when they received some letters about the possibility such and animal could live on plant earth, you know, one of that size? Using models and calculations they discovered a creature of that size could not possible move about on the face of the earth. Gravity alone would make it so slow and the inability of blood to reach its head would kill it. Not to mention numerous others problems, it would just be a blob, unable to move, unable to feed itself. When other have tried to solve this problem so they can keep hold of this false doctrine they point out how they ate up all of the animals of the earth and then began to eat men -- problem is, at this point, and size they would have become immobile and innocent mankind could have killed them all off.
Everyone talks about the Giants, you know, those exotic Nephilim, in the male genter all the time -- wouldn't there have been Giant baby girls too? Where are the Giant women? This is all fantasy and fables and only Hollywood could produce such a thing.
(1Ti 4:7) Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives' tales; rather, train yourself to be godly.(1Ti 1:4) Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.(Tit 1:14) Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
(2Pe 1:16) For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.(2Pe 2:3) In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
"Stories they have made up"? We call that "fiction". By turning the pure word of our Creator into fiction we present to the world that the whole is possibly, then, FICTION. The outside world hears of men highly respected in the Christian religious community teaching such nonsense and then look upon the very Word of God as the nonsense. But, for those of us declaring out Faith, professing YaHshua, the true Son of God as our Savior this black eye is sometimes difficult to overcome when a sincere person comes to us and wants to know the truth. Who are they going to listen to, a nobody like me, or someone of Chuck Misslers stature?
I have found that most who believe in the Left Behind Lie also go along with this false teaching, so it surprised me that you accept the one fantasy but not the other?
(Heb 1:5) For unto which of the angels said He at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
This is a question with an obvious answer, this is the kind of Question our Lord would ask the Pharisees to stop them in their tracks. To which of the Angels did He, God the Father say, “You are my son, today I have begotten you?” None, not one. So, what about Jog and Genesis 6? They must not mean what some commentators and teachers are claiming.
In the NT Christians have not trouble calling themselves Children of God, even sons and daughters of God. The NT is full of such references and innuendo. But when it comes to the OT there is this sudden brick wall being cemented up denying this kind of language. What if, let’s assume, that wolves have crept into the Church, and perhaps some of these wolves do not even know they are wolves, having been deceived themselves they join in the deception? Let’s just say that is possible, does the Word of the New Testament have anything about this possibility?
(Act 20:29) For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
When our beloved brother Paul wrote this he knew his end was near. He tells us he spent the last three years of his ministry warning the brethren about this danger. Over 2,000 years later and we are to think this did not happen? All these years later are we to assume there are no wolves, or wolfettes? I used a word that is not a word as not to offend by using the term that is actually used for female dogs and wolves – bitches.
The reasonable mind should be able to figure out that the wolves have become wolf packs of both males and females feeding on the flock. The flock is becoming fewer and fewer in number and even being forced out of the churches. If you question leaders living lavishly off the tithes of the congregation you are considered a trouble maker with no right to judge. These men an women take on the appearance as angels of light to those who worship them and hang on their every word. Do you suppose Paul rode around on a gold carriage and wore the finest of clothes? If you do you would be wrong. At time Paul had to take a job and work with his own hands to make a living while preaching to those on the Sabbath. Read 2 Cor 11:20-33, if you want to see what a real Apostle is like. Not decked out in gold and ruby robes and crowns, but seen as a reproach by all but those called to the Christ YaHshua.
(Mat 7:15) Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.(Mat 10:16) Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.(A message to His 12 Disciples)(2Pe 2:1) But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord thatbought them and bring upon themselves swift destruction.(“privily” - that would be to “introduce”) (these are not outsiders, “…the Lord that bought them),(2Pe 2:2) And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.(outsiders, will look on the fables being taught and ridicule the brethren and the Word itself for accepting such nonsense)(2Pe 2:3) And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. (“feigned words” is to say in modern language; “fiction”) (“lingers not” – our time is not His time. What seems like a long time to us is but a short time in His Prophetic time. “their damnation slumbers not” – is to say, “their condemnation, of what they are teaching, is on record, then as now”)
There is much more that can be said about this:
(2Co 11:13) For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
So, what is their works? Anything that leads a called believer away from the Messiah, YaHshua, filling the heads of those seeking the truth with misdirection, pointing to things taught by demons, doctrines of demons, which usually lead to the worship of Satan and his angels. Teaching that angels have the capacity to procreate besmirches the Gospel – the Good News of our Lord coming, the one and only SON of the Living God.
When did He ever call and angel His son? Never. So, what about Jude calling the angels sons of god? This is what the translators say not the King of Heaven, and not our Heavenly Father. He calls us His children, His sons and daughters through the saving blood of His Son. To suggest angels have or had this ability is to deny the Messiah, YaHshua as only another of the nephilim. Angels given credit for playing gods. This becomes a type of angel worship encouraged by the doctrine of devils.
(1Ti 4:1) Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
This has turned into a long answer to what seems an easy question, but a lot more is involved with answering this question about the account given in Job when referring to angels as “sons of God”. By the fact of creation He is their Creator and their Father, in that sense. Just as when Adam was created, Adam is called His son.
(Luke 3:38) Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
While some bring up the objection that nowhere in the Old Testament are men, called sons of god, this New Testament verse says otherwise. Also, as mentioned before in other studies/articles I have written on this subject there is a place in the OT where men are called by this same term for son is translate as “sons of Israel”, but the translators chose to use “children” instead of the term “son”.
(Hos 1:10) Yet the number of the children (sons) of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
The word translated as “children” in this verse is the same as used in Genesis 6:2 for “sons”. (Strong’s Hebrew Dictionary – H1121 ben or bane) This would then mean that Genesis 6:2 could have been translated “children of God” just as easily as “sons of God”.
(Gen 6:10) And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
Again, and in many, many other places this word used for “sons” is the same as used in Genesis 6:2 and here in 6:10. Are we then to say that the “sons” of Noah are angels? Of course not, but what this does point to is the lack of the use of another word, “angels”. Genesis 6:2, 4, does not use the word “angel” and if this is what this verse is to mean then why not.
(Gen 32:1) And Jacob went on his way, and the angels of God met him. (Gen 28:12, also)
There are many other verses using this language, “angels of God” as opposed to the two or three places “sons” is used. And where this term “sons” is used could easily be translated “children” or “servants”, letting the context dictate. Six places in the NT we find this same language, “Angels of God”, and never, in the New Covenant, are angels called “sons of God”.
This false doctrine based on only three references in the OT does not make a doctrine, especially when it is questionable, especially when more verses are found to offset this idea that angles took wives. The NT does not teach this and neither does the OT, this is why those who do teach this have to reach outside of the Scriptures to books of questionable origins, like the Book of Enoch.
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