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Q:
I think you may need to see Job 1:6, 2:1 and maybe rethink your article about angels taking wives and baring children that indeed were Giants. I believe it will challenge your thought process on the subject. It also explains the flood and why it had to happen. Also genesis 6: 9. Noah being perfect in his generations meaning genealogy. Untainted gene pool. 
Jacqueline
 
A: Speaking as a Brother in the Faith -- out of love and concern:

I have written on this at some length and suggest you read all of the article I have written on this (Angels Marry women?).  And I have covered the verses you provide in some detail.  First off, show me where, in the Hebrew Bible that it says the offspring of the sons of god and the daughters of men are the Nephilim?

If you read that verse carefully you will see that it actually says, that in the days this was going on, when the sons of god took wives, in those same times and day of Noah that there were GIANTS on the earth, nowhere does it say these are the children of these illicit unions.  Nephilim is a Hebrew word, or English transliteration of the Hebrew word that means, in English, "giants".  It is much more provocative, however, to use the Hebrew term -- 

(Gen 6:4) The Nephilim were on the earth in those days--and also afterward--when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

If you say it is the angels that are the reason for the Great flood then we are guiltless and it was unjust for the Creator to destroy all mankind because of these bad angels -- why not just destory them?  Also, ask yourself, why would glorious immortals want to copulate  with pieces of dirt -- sorry ladies but that is what men are made of and you too?   And, why would such beings bother with taking Wives anyway?  The nonsense in all these teachings about Angels having to marry women so they could have babies by them is a disgrace and should be easily seen for what it is  (Mat 22:30).

Consider this:  If angels had the ability to procreate then what our Heavenly Father did in the miracle birth of YaHshua would have been no miracle at all as the Angels have been doing this all along.  Next, ask yourself, are there wicked angels present today?  Well, Satan for one, right, Satan and His Angels (Rev 12:7), right?  So, where are all the Nephilim today, did the wicked angels suddenly become eunuchs?  Don't you see how silly this is?

In Job 1:6 and 2:1, the Hebrew word can be translated as "servants" as easily as it was "sons of god", and in previous writings, but maybe we should read that last quote?  But first, consider this, the word translated as "son" is "bane", or "ben" (H1129) and has about thirty different possible uses, not just "son", though this is how it is used the majority of time.  This is fine, let it stand as "son" then show me and everyone else where, at any time, Satan or his angels are ever called sons, or servants?  Next, this word can be used as 

(Job 2:1) Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD (YHWH), and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD (YHWH).
 
Can you see the separation here?  The "sons of God" came to meet with their Creator, and Satan came also -- get it, he was not part of them, he is not called one of the "sons of God".  

Also, the application of this term, "bane", or "son" can also be used as Strong's Hebrew Dictionary mentions: "literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition, etc"  Of course, some will point to Isaiah 14:12, "...son of the morning..." but this was a previous title for Satan, before he thought to replace his creator.  And, strickly speaking, it does not say "son of God" but "son of the morning", so make of that what you will, it does not say, "son of God".  Satan did possess a high place in the rankings of Angels, a very high place, but when he desired to replace his Creator he ceased to be a "servant" or a "son".  

 I have demonstrated this very thing, when good angels confronted human men of god and identified themselves, not as sons, but as servants, fellow servants (Rev 22:9).  And consider this, again, reread Job, aren't we told that Satan, a rebel angel, came among them, among these "servants of God"?  Satan was not included in that group was he?  

Well, if Satan is not counted as one of the sons of god then neither are his angels.  While some twist the meaning of Job in circles the fact remains, Satan was not included in their number, and you cannot find one place were is called a "son of God.  You can, however, find many places were we are called "children of God".  Some will try to tell you this saying, "sons of God" is not used for the People of God, or of Israel.  This is an outright lie.  

(John 1:12) Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in His Name, He gave the right to become children of God--
(John 10:34) Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods' ? (Ps 82:6)
(Rom 8:14) because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
(Luke 3:38) the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.

Adam. a man, made of dirt, brought to life is called a "son of God", proving it is not a title just for angels as some claim.  Certianly a special creation, admittedly so to our Lord YaHshua, the Son of God.  The claims of this false doctrine is that the Angel babies fathers were "sons of God", can't you see the conflict here?  

Rebel Angels would never be called "Sons of God", ever.  The "sons of God" in Gen 6 is addressing the beginning of the "Fall of all mankind", the true believers had allowed themselves to become polluted by taking pagan wives which corrupted the true worship of YaHWeH.  If you read Gen 6 and 7 you see it is about the fall of mankind not about the sexual fall of spirit beings.  This had nothing to do with race and everything to do about religion and who the true God worthy of worship is. 

Another point to consider:  Our Lord told of what the approaching end days would be like -- "Like the days of Noah".  (Mat 24:37,  2 Pet 2:5) -- from those days only 8 survived and of only one we know for sure was considered to still be pure, a preacher of righteousness.  This does not sound like a world being punished because angels decided to marry humans -- and they, the angels, being neither male nor female?  Who would they accomplish such a thing? 

Listen Jacqueline, we can disagree on various facets of the things we have not seen fully yet, we can disagree on things not of our Salvation but this is one false teaching that all believers and professing believers need to deal with and see the truth.  This is a salvation issue because this false teaching is degrading the coming of our Lord in the flesh.  This false doctrine gives power to fallen angels they do not have, it is, in a way, Angel Worship, making them equal to our Savior, even our Heavenly father, by being able to procreate -- and guess what?  This is exactly what Satan and his angels have always wanted, to be worshiped as gods, and this teaching, if accepted does just that.  This false doctrine undermines the Gospel and should be rejected for what it is, a doctrine of devils. 

(1Ti 4:1) Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Next, the only authority for this false teaching throwing a shadow over the Birth of our Messiah, are those we hold up on a pedestal in religious admiration, thinking they cannot be fooled when just the opposite is true -- even the best of teachers have fallen for this deception and have stuck their necks out with books and DVD presentations -- they have managed to deceive even themselves (2 Tim 3:13, "...deceiving and being deceived...")

The only real authority in the works of books is the Book of Enoch, this is the Book compiled from the origins of Jewish fables found in the Talmuds, not the Scriptures.  I know, they tell us how these writings were found in Ethiopia and then translated into English, but they originally came from BC Jewish writings credited to the Talmud, not the Bible.  If you have ever read this source, so many of the deceivers like to quote, you will find the Nephilim were over 240 feet tall.  Imagine that, and I wonder how big these babies would have been at birth?  My, my, poor women.  

The magazine, Popular Mechanics, did an investigative article on the movie monster, Godzilla, when they received some letters about the possibility such and animal could live on plant earth, you know, one of that size?  Using models and calculations they discovered a creature of that size could not move about on the face of the earth.  Gravity alone would make it so slow and the inability of blood to reach its head would kill it.  Not to mention numerous others problems, it would just be a blob, unable to move, unable to feed itself, not heroes, or men of renown, just blobs of flesh -- remember this Book of Enoch is where most, if not all, get their fables story about how the bad angels were really good angels trying to help man but the mean and angry God did not like them doing things to help man to learn how to do things like, say, write -- no writing, that was forbidden knowledge that these good angels were trying to teach mankind and the angry God decide the only way to stop them was to flood the whole world.  I am writing now, and everyone is writing, what happened, did this angry God decide it was all right for us to write things done and the grow in knowledge (2 Tim 2:15)?  

When other have tried to solve this problem of the oversized Giants, so they can keep hold of this false doctrine, they point out how the Book of Enoch tells us they ate up all of the animals of the earth and then began to eat men -- problem is, at this point, and size they would have become immobile and innocent mankind could have killed them all off.  

How about the "giants" the "nephilim" the Israelites had to deal with?  For starters none of them were much over 10' tall, nowhere near 240' and the next thing, all of them were killed off by mere men.  And nowhere are we told these "nephilim" were children of angels.  Once someone arguing in favor of these being offspring of angels, I asked how they survived the flood?  I was told the giants of Genesis 6 dug giant holes, caves, and hid in them, plugging up the entrances so the waters could not get in.  With that kind of reasoning I cannot argue -- stupid, yes, silly, yes, ignorant, yes. Sad? Yes, especailly coming from someone claiming to be a follower of the Messiah, YaHshua.  What, then, was YaHshua a Nephilim, too?  Answer that question and get back on track.

Everyone talks about the Giants in the male gender -- wouldn't there have been Giant baby girls too?  Where are the Giant women?  This is all fantasy and fables and only Hollywood could produce such a thing and make it look and seem plausible on the magic screen of make believe -- real life is another matter. 

  (1Ti 4:7)  Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives' tales; rather, train yourself to be godly.
  (1Ti 1:4)  Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
  (Tit 1:14)  Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
 
   (2Pe 1:16)  For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord YaHshua the Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his   majesty.
   (2Pe 2:3)  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

"Stories they have made up"?  We call that "fiction", don't we?  By turning the pure word of our Creator into fiction we present to the world that the whole word of God is FICTION.  The outside world hears of men, highly respected in the Christian religious community, teaching such nonsense and then look upon the very Word of God as the nonsense.  But, for those of us declaring our Faith, professing YaHshua, the true Son of God as our Savior this black eye is sometimes difficult to overcome, especially when a sincere person comes to us and wants to know the truth.  Who are they going to listen to, a nobody like me, or someone of Chuck Misslers stature? 

Strange, but I have found that most who believe in the "Left Behind" Lie also go along with this false teaching about the "giant offspring", so it surprised me that you accept the one fantasy but not the other?

One last thing, concerning your remark that Noah, being perfect in all his generations, meaning his genealogy?  That is an assumption on your part.  Noah is mentioned several times in the New Covenant and not once is he said to be racially pure, but he is said to be a "preacher of righeousness".  The Sons of God lost their religious purity by taking wives from among common men, pagans.  Read the story of Solomon and you can see how this happens.  Solomon, the wisest of them all, eventually was taken down by his many wives, most of whome were outsiders, worshiping other gods.  Solomon loved his many wives and eventually gave in to their demands for a fair representation of their gods in Israel, and at one point Solomon even worshiped as these false alters and before the Poles of Asheroth.  Solomon, the man that built the Temple fell away to worship along side his wives.  
At a certain point only Noah was left in all of His generations -- and considering his age there were many -- the only "Righteous Preacher" left.  If you are talking "race" it would have been impossible for Noah to be a loan hold out in racial mixture or mixup.  Think about it, how would you, out of millions, become the only geneticlly pure human on earth?  Could not happen, as this would mean his parents were pure also -- see what I mean?  If his parents were pure then we have to assume Noah was an only child.  But wait, Noah was not an only child, was he -- see what I mean?  Sometime common sense must rule.  Clearly, common sense is tossed aside, just as it is by the "Left Behind" crowd.    

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