Sons of God
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Q: You are in error Brother regarding the Sons Of God. Before Christ came, NO MAN was called Sons of God, but only Angels!
A: If you don’t mind I would like to correct you. Wherever you got that idea it was not from the Bible –
Speaking to the people of Israel --
(Psalms 82:6) I said, 'You are gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.' NIV
(Psa 82:6) I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. KJV
Why the KJV translated “children” is anybody’s guess as this word is the same as used in the Book of Job for “sons”, or “bene”, in Hebrew. The choices for the use of this Hebrew word are immense, most often as “son” but context has to dominate. YaHshua Himself used this verse to shut the mouths of His accuers --
(John 10:34) YaHshua answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods?'
YaHshua quotes from the Scripture reminding the Pharisees that the Scripture, “their Law”, He calls it, calls them (their forefathers) “sons of God”, effectively shutting them up in their super sensitive righteousness that He, YaHshua, should suggest He is a “son of God”. Even taking the KJV translations as "children" the what would the "children of God" be if not "Sons"? By the use of the word "children" the KJV translators have included women. Terms like, "mankind" and "Humanity" while appearing as male centered were used to include women, even the word for the female side of humanity is understood to express this, Male First and encompassing all of the huMAN race. WoMAN, feMALE, huMAN. If this is offensive to some fe-males, get over it, rewriting the whole language of "man" creates more confusion than not. I you are called god, and if you are called the children of God, the "sons and daughters of God", right?
(Heb 1:5) For unto which of the angels said He at any time, You are my Son, this day have I begotten you? And again, I will be to Him a Father, and he shall be to Me a Son?
According to the above verse, Paul said to the Hebrews, Angels were never called “sons”! We do have evidence angels were called the Host, and Servants, and in light of this we should correct the wording in the Book of Job, it would then become a nonissue and become clear and agree with the revelations we receive from our New Testament writing. When the "sons of God" came before the God of Heaven, it should have been translated, "servants of God", because Paul is quoting the OT and asking this very same question with a negative answer. Read Ps 2:1-12, the prophecy about the "anointed One", and not applied to any angel. Remember, this is a prophetic run, and the "anointed one" came in the flesh, as a man, so there is another example in the OT where a "man" is called a "son of God".
James, you make a wrong assumption when you say no man was called a son or sons prior to the Messiah. Read the following verse for correction:
(Luke 3:38) Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
Here we see Adam, a man, before YaHshua the Christ, called the “son of God”. By the act of creation Adam, a male, is called a son of God, the first of the flesh. So, we are back again to Hebrews 1:5 – our Creator never called any angel His son. Angels are neither male nor female this also excludes our Savior from having existed before as an angel as the Mormon Church and others teach. YaHshua was never an angel He was the Creator of all things, John 1:1, 14, as the WORD of God the Father – and –
(Eph 3:9) And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world has been hid in God (the Father), who created all things by YaHshua the Christ:
Heading off another arguement: Some will say that in the verses of Ps 2:1-2 YaHWeH is calling the "anointed one" his son to be -- YaHshua. And if YaHshua is the Creator of all things then He must be YaHWeH, the Creator of all things. This is a truth, God the Father was not known, not understood until YaHshua came to reveal Him -- in Ps 2, and other chapters of the OT we find YHWH (LORD) speaking as if He is the Father, and in Ps 2, especially we do see YHWH referencing the Coming Messiah, or the Anointed One as His son. Remember, the concept of there being a Father over and above YHWH is foreign to the Jewish scribe and they recognize only YHWH as the Father, but YaHshua Said they had never seen Him nor heard His voice, so something is wrong because they say all of the Torah came from YHWH and the people of Israel heard the voice of YHWH at mount Sinai. Clearly something is wrong, as it is our Savior making this revelation about our Heavenly Father. The answer lies in His Name, YaHWeH, and the Name of our Savior, YaHshua. When YaHshua was in His previous glory as YaHWeH He exhibited the Glory of the True Father in His NAME and when our Savior, the Anointed One, came in the flesh He again exhibited the Glory of the Father in His Name, then, He, YaHshua, told us about the Father. Read Matt 11:27 "...no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal HIM.
Last comment: James, I think it has been demonstrated that what you assumed to be true is not. You have been hood-winked by some clever writers. So, to continue from their false point of view I think we can again prove their error and you will see the truth to this matter.
In the writings of Job we do see the angels called sons, but this presents a problem when considering the verses I quoted from Paul to the Hebrews – there is a contradiction. However, when you look up “son” in the Hebrew Dictionary you find the word, “bene” and a huge selection of choices which include, "servant" and "soldier" among many other choices. In transliterating this word, “bene” from the Hebrew it is left up to the translator to decide from the context which of these choices to apply. The KJV translators decided to use, “children” in the Psalms but used the same Hebrew word for “sons” in Job? In the case of the Book of Job reading “soldier” or “servant” would have been a better choice, as we have already learned -- our Heavenly Father never called any angel His son. Further reasoning for this is simple, YaHWeH is often called the Lord of Host, and as it turns out, Host can an often does mean “armies”. The Host of the Heavens is the Angelic Armies of YaHWeH, thus – His soldiers. And to further support this we read in Rev 22:9 a mighty Angel of the Lord telling the Apostle John that he is a “servant”. By this we can also determine that in the Book of Job, "servant" would have been a better choice than “son” – soldiers or servants, not sons as Paul’s writing to the Hebrews makes plain, our Creator never called an Angel his Son, but they are called, servants, soldiers or the Host of Heaven -- not the "sons of Heaven". I think I have repeated myself, but I think it is all worth repeating from a different angle if the fog can be blown aside long enough to see the clear truth.
Thanks for the input, your servant, Dan