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Nephilim - Angel Babies?

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Angels, Seth and Nephilim, the Giants
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The following article is by Chuck Missler (http://www.khouse.org/) and has to do with the Nephilim, or the Giants of Genesis 6 and the “sons of god”, asking the question.  The answer Chuck comes up with is that the “sons of god” are rebel angels coming to earth from outer space (UFO, aliens) and marry human women – and that the Nephilim – well, we will let Chuck tell you.  Along the way I will be adding my comment – Servant’s Comments:
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Mischievous Angels or Sethites?
By Chuck Missler

Why did God send the judgment of the Flood in the days of Noah? Far more than simply a historical issue, the unique events leading to the Flood are a prerequisite to understanding the prophetic implications of our Lord's predictions regarding His Second Coming.1
The strange events recorded in Genesis 6 were understood by the ancient rabbinical sources, as well as the Septuagint translators, as referring to fallen angels procreating weird hybrid offspring with human women-known as the "Nephilim." So it was also understood by the early church fathers. These bizarre events are also echoed in the legends and myths of every ancient culture upon the earth: the ancient Greeks, the Egyptians, the Hindus, the South Sea Islanders, the American Indians, and virtually all the others.

Servant’s Comment: First of all, Nephilim sounds like some exotic, out of this world name, but in fact it is Hebrew for “giant”, just as the KJV Bible has it translated.  It is, “nephilim” not Nephilim.  The coolness fads a bit when you put in the right perspective, doesn’t it?  Secondly, the Church fathers of the first century did not read Genesis 6 like Chuck says.  He acknowledges that the Jewish scholars and teachers of long ago introduced the idea that Genesis 6 is talking about angel, rebel angels, that for some reason thought they should be law abiding angels, this one time, and marry the women they would rape.  Third, Chuck admits the source of this false teaching is from the Jewish side.  So, what is the teaching of our Apostles, from the Christ side?

(Tit 1:14)  Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
(1Ti 4:7)  But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.


Chuck continues:
However, many students of the Bible have been taught that this passage in Genesis 6 actually refers to a failure to keep the "faithful" lines of Seth separate from the "worldly" line of Cain. The idea has been advanced that after Cain killed Abel, the line of Seth remained separate and faithful, but the line of Cain turned ungodly and rebellious. The "Sons of God" are deemed to refer to leadership in the line of Seth; the "daughters of men" is deemed restricted to the line of Cain. The resulting marriages ostensibly blurred an inferred separation between them. (Why the resulting offspring are called the "Nephilim" remains without any clear explanation.)

Servant’s Comment: Woe is me, woe is me, how can this be – Adam is called a son of God, in fact there are others, too, that are called “sons of God” and they are not rebel angels – they are not the "nephilim".

(Luke 3:38)  the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.
(John 1:12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His Name:,
(Rom 8:14)  For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
(1Jn 3:1) Behold, what manner of love the Father has bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knows us not, because it knew him not.
(Gen 4:26)  And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of YaHWeH (KJV, the LORD)

From this NT teaching alone we can determine that to be a Son of God you do not have to be an angel and you do not have to be from the line of Seth.  In fact, it is during the time of Enos, not Seth that men began to call upon the Name of our Creator.  Sethites?  Nope, have to agree with Chuck on this one, but I think we can assume that if men began to call on the Name of the Creator, as we just read, they would have become known by His Name, just as it is today, those led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God.  Notice, it says, “men” not Seth, and not Enos, even, but “men” in general.  Maybe the first true religion and worship were those calling on the One true God, by His Name then getting off track -- leaders among men begin to marry outside of their Faith -- devout men begin to marry outside of their Church?  Sorry to have dispelled the “Sethite” view so early, but the Word says what it says -- it was not during the time of Seth but of Enos -- yes, Sethite, covers all of the descendants of Seth but this assumes Seth and all of his children were being called the sons of God, recognizing the one true God and worship, but we see that this does not occur until after Enos.  Some will argue that they did not know His Name because of what is said in Exodus 6:3 "...by my name YaHWeH was I not known..." This is written about the forefathers of the children of Israel, not about what was known pre-flood.  Also, letting the Word be true, Genesis 4 clearly states His Name was known during the time of Enos.  Exodus 6 says nothing about His Name never being known, only that the forefathers of Israel knew Him as "God Almighty" or some such equivalent.  

Chuck continues:
Since Jesus prophesied, "As the days of Noah were, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be,"2 it becomes essential to understand what these days included.
Origin of the Sethite View
It was in the 5th century a.d. that the "angel" interpretation of Genesis 6 was increasingly viewed as an embarrassment when attacked by critics. (Furthermore, the worship of angels had begun within the church. Also, celibacy had also become an institution of the church. The "angel" view of Genesis 6 was feared as impacting these views.)
Celsus and Julian the Apostate used the traditional "angel" belief to attack Christianity. Julius Africanus resorted to the Sethite interpretation as a more comfortable ground. Cyril of Alexandria also repudiated the orthodox "angel" position with the "line of Seth" interpretation. Augustine also embraced the Sethite theory and thus it prevailed into the Middle Ages. It is still widely taught today among many churches who find the literal "angel" view a bit disturbing. There are many outstanding Bible teachers who still defend this view.

Problems with the Sethite View
Beyond obscuring a full understanding of the events in the early chapters of Genesis, this view also clouds any opportunity to apprehend the prophetic implications of the Scriptural allusions to the "Days of Noah."3 Some of the many problems with the "Sethite View" include the following:

1. The Text Itself
Substantial liberties must be taken with the literal text to propose the "Sethite" view. (In data analysis, it is often said that "if you torture the data severely enough it will confess to anything.")
The term translated "the Sons of God" is, in the Hebrew, B'nai HaElohim, "Sons of Elohim," which is a term consistently used in the Old Testament for angels,4 and it is never used of believers in the Old Testament. It was so understood by the ancient rabbinical sources, by the Septuagint translators in the 3rd century before Christ, and by the early church fathers. Attempts to apply this term to "godly leadership" is without Scriptural foundation.5

Servant’s Comment:  I have to take issue with this.  First off, according to the Hebrew Dictionary, H1121, used in Job 1:6 and 2:1 and 38:7, does not constitute what Chuck Missler's says, “...which is a term consistently used in the Old Testament for angels”.  The Hebrew, H1121, ben, or bane is used for “son” but can also be rendered “servant”, thus Job could read, “servants of God” just as easily as “sons”.  Also, this term that Chuck says is found "consistently" in the OT shows up three times in the Book of Job, and in Genesis 6, to me this does not constitute what Chuck is suggesting.  Read Heb 1:5 and reread the verses presented in the earlier comment and then consider the following:

(John 10:34) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, You are gods?
(Psa 82:6) I have said, You are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Next, considering the term, Elohim, is a plural reference, meaning more than one.  This would then be read as “sons of the gods”, in English, or “servants of the gods”.  What this demonstrates is that the translators, in this case, Hebrews, would have to know there is more than one God, which they do not, they hold to a single, ONE God.  Therefore they are in the dark when it comes to this translation and to say, for sure, without doubt that this “sons of god” does not mean “servants of the Gods” instead, is careless – no – wishful thinking.  But why?  We will see the answer later.  

Chuck Continues:
The "Sons of Seth and daughters of Cain" interpretation strains and obscures the intended grammatical antithesis between the Sons of God and the daughters of Adam. Attempting to impute any other view to the text flies in the face of the earlier centuries of understanding of the Hebrew text among both rabbinical and early church scholarship. The lexicographical antithesis clearly intends to establish a contrast between the "angels" and the women of the Earth.

Servant’s Comment: When reading this do not forget the instructions from the New Testament teachings, which Chuck chooses to ignore –

(Tit 1:14) Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
(1Ti 4:7) But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.

The Rabbinical writings may be filled with truth but they are also known for their fantasy and some of the most outrageous accusations against their Messiah, our Savior, YaHshua.  They  should not be considered a final word in anything.  As pointed out before, they claim One and only One God but continue to use a term for Him that implies more than one --  Elohim. If the Jewish Rabbis Chuck finds so knowledgeable in the language then why is it they do not understand this?  Because it does not fit in with their religious view and that is why we found our Savior, YaHshua "consistently" referring to the OT as "...your law" -- John 8:17, 10:34, 18:31 & Acts 18:15 -- Chuck is not the only one that can play that game.

Chuck continues:
If the text was intended to contrast the "sons of Seth and the daughters of Cain," why didn't it say so? Seth was not God, and Cain was not Adam. (Why not the "sons of Cain" and the "daughters of Seth?" There is no basis for restricting the text to either subset of Adam's descendants. Further, there exists no mention of daughters of Elohim.)

Servant’s Comment: Funny, this same reasoning could be used on those supposing the term “sons of god” means “angels”.  If that is the case then why didn’t the writer of Genesis just say that?  Why doesn’t Genesis 6 just say “angels took wives” or “angels of god”, if that is what is really meant?  This is called witnessing against yourself.

Chuck continues:
And how does the "Sethite" interpretation contribute to the ostensible cause for the Flood, which is the primary thrust of the text? The entire view is contrived on a series of assumptions without Scriptural support.

The Biblical term "Sons of Elohim" (that is, of the Creator Himself), is confined to the direct creation by the divine hand and not to those born to those of their own order.6 In Luke's genealogy of Jesus, only Adam is called a "son of God."7 The entire Biblical drama deals with the tragedy that humankind is a fallen race, with Adam's initial immortality forfeited. Christ uniquely gives them that receive Him the power to become the sons of God.8 Being born again of the Spirit of God, as an entirely new creation,9 at their resurrection they alone will be clothed with a building of God10 and in every respect equal to the angels.11 The very term oiketerion, alluding to the heavenly body with which the believer longs to be clothed, is the precise term used for the heavenly bodies from which the fallen angels had disrobed.12

Servant’s Comment: Mumbo Jumbo, ever heard that term?  Well, that is what this is, just so much smoke and mirrors.  What does the Word say?

(1Co 15:38-40)  But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body.  All flesh is not the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another.

Each after its own KIND, they cannot commingle.  Cutting through the fluff and puff the Word is plain and clear to those with eyes to see and ears to hear.  Angels can no more produce offspring through women than apes can.  Least of all, marry?  They are Heavenly bodies we are Earthly bodies and the angels do not have the power to procreate like this.  If they did have that ability then our Savior coming as He did would mean nothing, because rebel angels have been doing this intermingling of the spirit all along.  That is why this doctrine is dangerous and why it is becoming such a popular teaching among so many – it points away from and lessens the act of our Savior’s coming in the flesh.  Also prove the offspring would not be “giants” or ‘nephilim”, after all, our Savior was of normal human size, wasn’t He?

Chuck says, "...and in every respect equal to the angels...", this is simply not true.  Ask yourself, is YaHshua equal to the angels -- or -- more?  Then consider this --


(1Jn 3:2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is.

Our future is greater than many think or imagine.  Not only are we called "sons of God" but we are told we are going to just like YaHshua, not angels.  

Chuck continues:
The attempt to apply the term "Sons of Elohim" in a broader sense has no textual basis and obscures the precision of its denotative usage. This proves to be an assumption which is antagonistic to the uniform Biblical usage of the term.

2. The Daughters of Cain

The "Daughters of Adam" also does not denote a restriction to the descendants of Cain, but rather the whole human race is clearly intended. These daughters were the daughters born to the men with which this very sentence opens:
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. Genesis 6:1,2

It is clear from the text that these daughters were not limited a particular family or subset, but were, indeed, from (all) the Benoth Adam, "the daughters of Adam." There is no apparent exclusion of the daughters of Seth. Or were they so without charms in contrast with the daughters of Cain? All of Adam's female descendants seem to have been involved. (And what about the "sons of Adam?" Where do they, using this contrived dichotomy, fit in?)

Servant's Comment:  It is not clear, not when you consider the there were other humans on this planet besides the sons of Adam.  Reading Genesis 1 we read about a God speaking in a plural form Elohim, El would be the singular, to mean only One, but in all of the first chapter of the Bible, the God of the Bible identifies Himself as more than one.  Reading Gen 1:27-28 we read of the creation of men and women as part of the creation of the creation.  When it comes to Adam and Eve, however, in Chapter 2 everything is already created and a God called YaHWeH is preparing a garden and then makes a man and puts him into it.  There appears to be two creations of mankind, one a collective adventure by the Elohim and another singular adventure by YaHWeH.  I am not the first to notice this duality in the Creation but not many teach it because it does not fit in with their accepted theology.  Never mind, this alone does harm to Chuck's statement so it is not considered.  In fact, if we can see this dual creation of mankind this would explain the Genesis 6 chapter with no need for further interpretation and would explain why the author of Genesis never bothered to say specifically which "sons of Elohim" was being referred to.  Son of YaHWeH or "son's of Elohim", well, the author did tell us, didn't he?  If you see this and understand it then the rest of what Chuck is teaching means very little, but to be fair, please continue.

More Chuck:
Furthermore, the line of Cain was not necessarily known for its ungodliness. From a study of the naming of Cain's children, many of which included the name of God,13 it is not clear that they were all necessarily unfaithful.

3. The Inferred Lines of Separation
The concept of separate "lines" itself is suspect and contrary to Scripture.14 National and racial distinctions were plainly the result of the subsequent intervention of God in Genesis 11, five chapters later. There is no intimation that the lines of Seth and Cain kept themselves separate nor were even instructed to. The injunction to remain separate was given much later.15 Genesis 6:12 confirms that all flesh had corrupted His way upon the earth.

4. The Inferred Godliness of Seth
There is no evidence, stated or implied, that the line of Seth was godly. Only one person was translated from the judgment to come (Enoch) and only eight were given the protection of the ark. No one beyond Noah's immediate family was accounted worthy to be saved. In fact, the text implies that these were distinct from all others. (There is no evidence that the wives of Noah's sons were from the line of Seth.) Even so, Gaebelein observes, "The designation 'Sons of God' is never applied in the Old Testament to believers," whose sonship is "distinctly a New Testament revelation."16

Servant's Comment: This has been covered before but deserves another comment.  On the one hand statements to put down any opposing views are used, all the while making statements to support the erroneous views of the author that have no basis in fact of evidence either.  Either everyone is speculating, and should say so, or everyone is trying to deliberately mislead everyone else?  The last part of the above statement is false, clear and simple, as we have already read, our Savior Himself quoted from the OT when confronted by the Jewish religious leaders about suggesting He is a Son of God,  YaHshua reminded them that in their own Law it suggests that they are "sons of God" (John 10:34).  It actually says, that "you are gods" but the implication is "sons of God" for that is what YaHshua was saying that God was His father and thus His son and they picked up stones to kill Him for claiming to be God -- see the connection?  If you say you are a child of God, thus a son or daughter of God, then by their estimation you are claiming to be God or gods.  In all of this falderall one main point gets lost -- YaHshua consistently said He was the Son of man, but, the Son of God.  To suggest this as a New testament "revelation" and say it does not apply to the Old Testament is lubricous.  What is a revelation if not a revealing of an existing truth?  

Chuck Continues:

The "Sons of Elohim" saw the daughters of men that they were fair and took them wives of all that they chose. It appears that the women had little say in the matter. The domineering implication hardly suggests a godly approach to the union. Even the mention that they saw that they were attractive seems out of place if only normal biology was involved. (And were the daughters of Seth so unattractive?)

It should also be pointed out that the son of Seth himself was Enosh, and there is textual evidence that, rather than a reputation for piety, he seems to have initiated the profaning of the name of God.

If the lines of Seth were so faithful, why did they perish in the flood?

Servant's Comment: I do not defend the piety of Seth or Enos but question the reasoning here in order to push this false doctrine.  Again, the reason this is important is that this teaching elevates "angels" to the status of our Savior, our ONE AND ONLY Savior.  It also gives mankind a pass in the sin department by suggesting and in the end laying all of the faults of mankind on these renegade angels.  For one thing there is nothing that says Seth was so devout only that during his time men began to call on the Name of God, and this was during the time of Enoch also.  Chuck's reasoning, if applied to Seth, would have to be applied to Enoch as well.  The reasoning is faulty and one would have to assume Seth was alive when the Great Flood came, but he was not.

It seems the ability to have giant spirit hybrid children by spirit beings was possible long before our Savior came in the flesh.  Do you see the heresy here?  This is what the ultimate suggestion and teaching becomes.  It is a demonic joke and slap at our Savior, YaHshua, and what He did for us.  If, by my own speculations the "sons of Elohim" were those created in Genesis chapter 1, made in THEIR image and then later a Garden of Eden is made and a single man is made by a single God, YaHWeH, as is recorded, and then that single man is placed in that prepared Garden of Eden, a garden made after all of the other Creations of sun and moon, land and animals -- do you see?  The the son of YaHWeH, Adam, is created, placed in the garden and then later he is put to sleep and woman is created and from them they have children.  Adam is called the first man, his children would then be known as the children of man.  Knowing that Adam is a special creation, for a special purpose it would be natural to assume that from a human point of view his children would be beautiful.  The sons of Elohim having been created first and possibly flourishing and having subdued much of the earth by the time Adam was created and had a family would explain who had the power and why Cain was so afraid of having to leave the Garden, he was afraid of those others that might kill him.  Speculation?  Sure, but I did not twist the Word out of shape to get there and I did not violate the sanctity of our Savior's own personal sacrifice for us to prove a point.  Enosh may or may not have been an exemplary follower of the Creator but it was in his time, his day that men began to call upon the Name of the Creator -- no where is it suggested that they were, at that time, profaning His Name, that would come later, no doubt but in order to profane something you must first treat it as if it is holy or of some special meaning -- it first has to be seen and treated as if it is special.  Because the Jews think to even say His Name is disrespectful is a type of profaning, as in to making His Name useless, by not using it by not calling on Him personally.  The idea the Name of our God and Creator is not to be used came into being in modern times, not ancient times.  This is a false teaching of some Jews for very self-righteous reasons.

Chuck Continues:

5. The Unnatural Offspring
The most fatal flaw in the specious "Sethite" view is the emergence of the Nephilim as a result of the unions. (Bending the translation to "giants" does not resolve the difficulties.) It is the offspring of these peculiar unions in Genesis 6:4 which seems to be cited as a primary cause for the Flood.

Servant's Comment: This is not so, read the context of Genesis 6 and 7 and you will see it is about "man", "men" or "mankind" not the angels -- nothing about angels at all but all about men and what they were doing.  

(Gen 6:5) The LORD (YHWH) saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.

Whose wickedness, whose thoughts?  Not one mention of any angel whatsoever but this is what Chuck and others suggest and teach as fact.  This is a fantasy they have accepted from the Jewish fables or the so called "Oral Torahs" -- saying this in plural as there is more than one.  

Chuck:
Procreation by parents of differing religious views do not produce unnatural offspring. Believers marrying unbelievers may produce "monsters," but hardly superhuman, or unnatural, children! It was this unnatural procreation and the resulting abnormal creatures that were designated as a principal reason for the judgment of the Flood.

The very absence of any such adulteration of the human genealogy in Noah's case is also documented in Genesis 6:9: Noah's family tree was distinctively unblemished. The term used, tamiym, is used for physical blemishes.18

Why were the offspring uniquely designated "mighty" and "men of reknown?" This description characterizing the children is not accounted for if the fathers were merely men, even if godly.
A further difficulty seems to be that the offspring were only men; no "women of reknown" are mentioned. (Was there a chromosome deficiency among the Sethites? Were there only "Y" chromosomes available in this line?)19

Servant's Comment: Here we see a total "assumption" turned into an accepted "fact".  Incredibly the "monsters" become "super humans" as the unnatural offspring of a union between angels and human women.  Scripture does not say any such thing.  Read the context and you will see that it says that there were "giants" or "nephilim", if you prefer, "in those day", in the time these events were occurring -- it says no where, not in one single place that these "nephilim" were there unnatural offspring.  This is actually a remark that this may have been a time dinosaurs roamed the earth, not giant angle babies.  All of the first remark by Chuck is pure fabrications.  Next is the question of purity in the DNA pool.  This too is just so much rubbish and can be easily discounted by the fact that Noah had sons and those sons had WIVES and not one of them is said to have been "perfect in his or her generations".  Do you see?  If the whole world had become DNA damaged by the fallen angels taking wives, etc., etc., then Noah's sons would have had wives with messed up DNA -- when you clear away the foggy thinking it all becomes clear, or should, that this doctrine of the Nephilim may make for fun movies or for selling books but it is not a biblical fact and besmirches our Savior having come in the flesh as our pure sacrifice -- HalleluYaH.  

Chuck Continues
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6. New Testament Confirmations
"In the mouths of two or three witnesses every word shall be established."20 In Biblical matters, it is essential to always compare Scripture with Scripture. The New Testament confirmations in Jude and 2 Peter are impossible to ignore.21

For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell [Tartarus], and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 2 Peter 2:4-5
Peter's comments even establishes the time of the fall of these angels to the days of the Flood of Noah.

Servant's Comments: On the surface this may seem logical but from a "real" and not imagined biblical point of view it insane.  What is being presented in Peter's letter is a pattern -- what happens to those, even angels, that follow this pattern of sin.  What is the sin?  It is not believing God, it is to think He, our Creator, does not mean what He says when He says He is going to destroy the Sinners.  It is a lot simpler than many think -- Abraham believed YaHWeH, without proof of any kind he believed what he was told and because of this "belief" it was accounted to him as righteousness.  
(Gen 15:6) Abram believed the LORD (YaHWeH), and he credited it to him as righteousness.
(James 4:17) Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn't do it, sins.
The angels that sinned, apparently did not believe their Creator would imprison them, or bring them to judgment and if you look around the world, at world history you will see that it seems men do not believe this either.  The warning of JUDGEMENT is not a declaration angels cohabited with human women, even taking wives -- where does it say that?  It does not, it has to be imagined, conjured up, is you will.  
Please, if you question this, look at the context, once again, the context and what is really being said, not what is "imagined".  First we are not told the the sin of the angels is marrying out of "their kind", which, according to creation biology is not possible (1 Cor 15:38-41), each is created after its own kind.  You cannot cross a cat with a dog, even though they are similar, and get a cadog anymore than a angel, composed of spirit can step out of their kind and and marry another kind making giant babies.  According to the Book of Enoch these babies grew into 240 foot giants called the Nephilim.  Did you know the word, "nephilim" is just a word in Hebrew for "giant"?  The promoters of this false doctrine like to us the Hebrew word because it sounds so much more provocative -- the KJV translators, however, saw this word for what it is, merely a word meaning "giant".


Chuck Continues:

Even Peter's vocabulary is provocative. Peter uses the term Tartarus, here translated "hell." This is the only place that this Greek term appears in the Bible. Tartarus is a Greek term for "dark abode of woe"; "the pit of darkness in the unseen world." As used in Homer's Iliad, it is "...as far beneath hades as the earth is below heaven`."22 In Greek mythology, some of the demigods, Chronos and the rebel Titans, were said to have rebelled against their father, Uranus, and after a prolonged contest they were defeated by Zeus and were condemned into Tartarus.

Servant's Comment:  Of course it is "provokative", it is a warning, not a revealation about spirits having sex with flesh and then having giant babies.  See how silly it really sounds?  It is a warning that if those before us were not spared from judgement for not believing and obey their Creator then how can we mere humans expect to escape judgement.  But wait, wasn't Chuck suggesting earlier that the sin of man and the reason for the Flood was the sin of the angels?  Yes, he was, so how is it that we lowly humans are being blamed? What Chuck and others are teaching may sell books and titilate the itching ears who want to hear this kind of nonsense comes right out of the imaginations of men, perhaps inspired by the Devil himself -- I'm just saying.  I am not questioning Chuck Missler's sincerity, maybe his motives, but he is sincerely wrong in this and will have to one day repent of it.  I am not saying Chuck Missler is purposely fooling the Devils advice but someone is influencing someone whether in mass or singularly.  Do not kid yourself, the Devil is here, among us and he does have those that follow him and not like in the movies.

Chuck:
The Epistle of Jude23 also alludes to the strange episodes when these "alien" creatures intruded themselves into the human reproductive process:
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 6,7

Servant’s Comment:  The allusion is only in the mind of Chuck Missler and others teaching this heresy.  Having left their first estate?  Sounds good and tricky and with a gentle suggestion that this estate is their spirit bodies, well?  If these angels left their first bodies, then what happened to these first bodies (estates) and what did they become after leaving their bodies?  Do you see the nonsense of this?  The “estate” they left had nothing to do with marrying human women or having giant babies, it had to do with them leaving a place of habitations given to them.  Remember Satan’s grand desire?  To rise above the Heavens to the thrown of the Creator and replace Him, and he convinced a third of the angels that they could abandon what they were give and claim the whole Kingdom – they rebelled.  Once they did this and took action to do this they left where they were supposed to be and went to take control of a different place, or estate.  Of course they were stopped and, as the letter of Jude says, imprisoned.  If imprisoned how they are able to cohabit with human women, never mind marrying them.

(2Co 4:4) In whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them..  
(Eph 2:2) Wherein in time past you walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience:


This, unfortunately for many, cannot be ignored -- there is a Satan, a disobedient spirit by nature and influencing not only a few people but the vast majority of the world. What we see today, in the world, is like the times of Noah, just as our Savior told us -- Mat 24:37-39 -- "...just as the days of Noah..." , and I think most believe we are in those days or very, very near that time and this being the case do you see angels marrying women?  Where is the abominable offspring of angels crossed with women?  Again, we can see the stupidity of this kind of manipulation.  The itching ears hearing only what they want to hear and to what glory for the Gospel?  None!
(2Ti 4:3) For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;  ("itching -- Strong's Greek Dictionary, "...by implication, tickle...")


Chuck Continues in his allusions:
The allusions to "going after strange flesh," keeping "not their first estate," having "left their own habitation," and "giving themselves over to fornication," seem to clearly fit the alien intrusions of Genesis 6. (The term for habitation, oivkhth,rion, refers to their heavenly bodies from which they had disrobed.24)

Servant’s Comment: Slow down, slow down – fornication?  Say it isn’t so, after all, if you are married it is not “fornication”.  Of course some women’s libbers of the 60s and 70s would argue the point as they saw all sex as rape of the woman.  Anyway, if we stay with the Word, and if Chuck really believes that these “sons of god” are angels they cannot be committing fornication because it clearly says they “married” them.  See how silly this all begins to sound?  You cannot have a legal act of mankind, seen in the marriage act, recognized by nearly every civilization and then accuse that husband of rape, or fornication.  Fornication usually means sex outside of marriage.  Have you read Jude 6 & 7 lately?  Sure, a clever suggestion leads to a false "assumption", when we read about the "fornication" it is about Sodom and Gomorrah, not about the angels -- what is being compared is the punishment. If it were about the angels sin then we then it would mean the angels were fornicating with one another (forgive me Father).  No, the "sons of Elohim (Gods)" saw the daughters of men, or man, and saw how beautiful they were and took wives from among these "daughters of the man".  The daughters of Adam were beautiful and the the "sons of Elohim", well, were the sons of Elohim of Genesis 1. With this understanding you don't have to twist the word upside down.  If this were to really be applied to angels and their vision of beauty then this would be extremely odd -- the glory of an angel, even a fallen angel would be so much greater than that of the flesh that to see the reason these angels would give up eternity for the lower glory of the flesh is not reasonable.  Spirits?  Marry?  Not according to our Savior --

(Mat 22:29-30) YaHshua answered and said to them, You do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.  For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
(Gen 6:2) … the sons of God (Elohim) saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.


This teaching by our Savior, YaHshua, should be the nail in the coffin but guess what?  I heard the author, Chuck Missler, bring this question up himself, not being able to get around this verse and still pursuing this false teaching he said it finally came to him, the solution around this teaching of our Savior, and it is this -- "It says the "angels in heaven" not on earth".  Incredible, and this coming from a highly respected bible teacher. If not in heaven then not on earth either, the comparison is still there and is not negated by Chuck's faulty reasoning.  If you want to believe something strong enough to overcome good sense you can, as is proven here.  

Back to Chuck’s allusions:
These allusions from the New Testament would seem to be fatal to the "Sethite" alternative in interpreting Genesis 6. If the intercourse between the "sons of God" and the "daughters of men" were merely marriage between Sethites and Cainites, it seems impossible to explain these passages, and the reason why some fallen angels are imprisoned and others are free to roam the heavenlies.
Servant's Comments:  No shame here as Chuck plainly says, "...intercourse between the sons of God and daughters of men..." which would be fine if we are speaking about mankind of different backgrounds but not if, as Chuck means, spirit beings having intercourse with flesh.
Chuck and more fauthy reasoning:
7. Post-Flood Implications
The strange offspring also continued after the flood: "There were Nephilim in the earth in those days, and also after that..."25 The "Sethite" view fails to meaningfully address the prevailing conditions "also after that." It offers no insight into the presence of the subsequent "giants" in the land of Canaan.

Servant’s Comment:  Here it is assumed that the “giants” or the “nephilim” are people, are giant offspring from the angel human union, or from those diabolical UFO Aliens messing with our DNA – alien angels?  It always leads back to "Alien invasion" sooner of later.  Anyway, if you keep going in this stuff that is where you end up, and Chuck and his followers have ended up there -- in the UFO scene.  Read the word, it does not say these “giants” were the product of this supposed union of angel (alien) and human women.  What the Scripture says is that in that time, when these marriages occurred, when the “sons of God” went chasing after beautiful women there were “giants” in the land, and even after that and this does not mean, nor say, after the Flood, does it?  This could very well have been Dinosaurs, giving a time stamp on when all of this was happening, right at the turn of mankind passing by that point of no return, leading to the total destruction of the World -- this did not happen in only a few years but hundreds of years.  In those days they, dinosaurs, would have been called “giants”, "nephilim", later dragons, today, dinosaurs. In no way does the wording say these were the offspring of angels fornicating with women, as Chuck and many others say.

Chuck speculates some more:
One of the disturbing aspects of the Old Testament record was God's instructions, upon entering the land of Canaan, to wipe out every man, woman, and child of certain tribes inhabiting the land. This is difficult to justify without the insight of a "gene pool problem" from the remaining Nephilim, Rephaim, et al., which seems to illuminate the difficulty.

Servant's Comment:  While the warriors of Israel were given instruction for the complete annihilation of the inhabitants of Canaan they did not do as told.  It seems they knew better and preserved things of value -- you know -- like the prettiest of the women and children, some animals and valuables.  They were warned about this, not because of some DNA pollution but because of their religion.  The religion of Canaan appealed to the flesh and would tempt the people of Israel and that is just what happened.  The sin of Canaan had gotten so far off the path of true worship and recognition of the True Creator that to let them continue would have meant the eventual and total religious pollution of the world, just like what happened in the pre-flood world of Noah.  And here we are just like in the days of Noah, everyone chasing after some image of the Babylonian/Canaanite gods.  If you get into a study of those religions you can go around the world and see the near identical copies, different names, in some cases but following the same demonic worship.  It was not because of some angel contamination of human gene pool.  As the days of Noah, remember, and where are those supposed, monstrous giants today?  They don't exist do they, at least not as Chuck Missler and other teach.

Chuck Continues:
8. Prophetic Implications
Another reason that an understanding of Genesis 6 is so essential is that it also is a prerequisite to understanding (and anticipating) Satan's devices26 and, in particular, the specific delusions to come upon the whole earth as a major feature of end-time prophecy.27 We will take up these topics in Part 2, "The Return Of The Nephilim.")

Servant’s Comment:  Here Chuck is alluding to the coming envision of the Nephilim as UFO aliens coming to earth -- see, I told you it would eventually come to this.  Everything in this kind of fantasy eventually is tied in with this UFO invasions and religion.  Have you ever wondered how our Creator is going to gather all of the nations to the Middle East where He is going to destroy them, just as the scripture says?  

(Zec 12:9) And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
(Zec 14:12) And this shall be the plague wherewith the YaHWeH will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.


What if everyone buys into the idea that we are going to experience and alien invasion of the Nephilim, the return of the sons of the rebel angels and one day it is reported that and invasion is coming – looking into the heavens an assault appears to be eminent as scientist begin tracking what appears to be an invasion force approaching Earth.  Like tracking an asteroid they calculate the incoming light, whatever it is, will hit, or land in the Middle East, what then.  Hey, the UFO, Nephilim invasion?  Or, perhaps this will be the coming of our Lord and all His Angels.  The forces of the world join together to do battle against our Lord, and there in the valley of Megiddo they will be destroyed. I am speculating, of course, but my speculation, I believe is more a possibility than what Chuck and other UFO enthusiasts say.  

 
In Summary -- Chuck's Summary
If one takes an integrated view of the Scripture, then everything in it should "tie together." It is the author's view that the "Angel View," however disturbing, is the clear, direct presentation of the Biblical text, corroborated by multiple New Testament references and was so understood by both early Jewish and Christian scholarship; the "Sethite View" is a contrivance of convenience from a network of unjustified assumptions antagonistic to the remainder of the Biblical record.
It should also be pointed out that most conservative Bible scholars accept the "angel" view.28 Among those supporting the "angel" view are: G. H. Pember, M. R. DeHaan, C. H. McIntosh, F. Delitzsch, A. C. Gaebelein, A. W. Pink, Donald Grey Barnhouse, Henry Morris, Merril F. Unger, Arnold Fruchtenbaum, Hal Lindsey, and Chuck Smith, being among the best known.
For those who take the Bible seriously, the arguments supporting the "Angel View" appear compelling. For those who indulge in a willingness to take liberties with the straightforward presentation of the text, no defense can prove final. (And greater dangers than the implications attending these issues await them!)

Servant’s Comment: Again, Chuck witnesses against himself and those he has listed as authorities on this subject.  Now, what does the Word say?  Something about a broad gate and a narrow gate?

(Mat 7:13-15)  Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.  But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

What do they look like?  How do they appear?

(2Co 11:14-15)  And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.  It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

I am not saying, or trying not to say that Chuck Missler is an agent of Satan but he is most definitely mistaken and has chosen to go down a path that is not truly rooted in the Word but is leached from the tables of Jewish fables going back centuries and this from the very people that have denied YaHshua as Savior.  Look where ever you might and you will see this trail of lies goes back to So, what does this mean?  It means that you can name drop all the names you can find, the more the better, and it means nothing when it comes to the Truth of the Word.  In fact, the more you can round up to support your crazy idea the more apt it is to be just that, a crazy idea and not true at all.  When it comes to a majority vote among Christians you should chose the minor side and you will be right most of the time.  Better still, study the Word for yourself, judge everything by what the word says, not by what some man says.  Peace to you who seek the real truth.


Chuck's Notes;  
1. Matthew 24:37.
2. Matthew 24:37.
3. Matthew 24:37; Luke 17:26, as well as Old Testament allusions such as Daniel 2:43, et al.
4. Cf. Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7 (where they are in existence before the creation of the earth). Jesus also implies the same term in Luke 20:36.
5. A footnote in an edition of the famed Scofield Bible, in suggesting that "sons of Elohim" does not always denote angelic beings, points to one ostensible exception (Isaiah 43:6) but the term in question is not there used! God simply refers to Israel as "my sons" and "my daughters." Indeed, all of Adam's race are termed God's "offspring" in Acts 17:28 (although Paul is here quoting a Greek poet).
6. The sons of Elohim are even contrasted with the sons of Adam in Psalm 82:1, 6 and warned that if they go on with the evil identified in verse 2, they would die like Adam (man). When our Lord quoted this verse (John 10:34) He made no mention of what order of beings God addressed in this Psalm but that the Word of God was inviolate whether the beings in question were angels or men.
7. Luke 3:38.
8. John 1:11, 12.
9. 2 Corinthians 5:17.
10. 2 Corinthians 5:1-4.
11. Luke 20:36.
12. This term appears only twice in the Bible: 2 Corinthians 5:2 and Jude 1:6.
13. Genesis 4:18.
14. Genesis 11:6.
15. This instruction was given to the descendants of Isaac and Jacob. Even the presumed descendants of Ishmael cannot demonstrate their linkage since no separation was maintained.
16. A.C. Gaebelein, The Annotated Bible (Penteteuch), p. 29.
17. Gen 4:26 is widely regarded as a mistranslation: "Then began men to profane the name of the Lord." So agrees the venerated Targum of Onkelos; the Targum of Jonathan Ben Uzziel; also the esteemed rabbinical sources such as Kimchi, Rashi, et al. Also, Jerome. Also, the famed Maimonides, Commentary on the Mishnah, 1168 a.d.
18. Exodus 12:5, 29; Leviticus 1:3, 10; 3:1, 6; 4:3, 23; 5:15, 18, 25; 22:19, 21; 23:12; Numbers 6:14; et al. Over 60 references, usually referring to the freedom from physical blemishes of offerings.
19. Each human gamete has 23 pairs of chromosomes: the male has both "Y" (shorter) and "X" (longer) chromosomes; the female, only "X" chromosomes. The sex of a fertilized egg is determined by the sperm fertilizing the egg: "X+Y" for a male child; "X+X" for a female. Thus, the male supplies thesex-determining chromosome.
20. Deut. 19:15; Matthew 18:16; 26:60; 2 Corinthians 13:1; et al.
21. Jude 6, 7; 2 Peter 2:4-5.
22. Homer, Iliad, viii 16.
23. Jude is commonly recognized as one of the Lord's brothers. (Matthew 13:55; Mark 6:3; Gal 1:9; Jude 1:1.)
24. The only other use in the New Testament is 2 Corinthians 5:2, alluding to the heavenly body which the believer longs to be clothed.
25. Genesis 6:4.
26. 2 Corinthians 2:11.
27. Luke 21:26; 2 Thess 2:9, 11; et al.
28. The International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia, Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co., Vol V, p.2835-2836.


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