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Satan's Fall

Satan’s Fall
by your servant, Dan Baxley

And He (YaHshua) said unto them, “I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.” (Luke 10:18)

YaHshua said He saw Satan fall from the Heavens.  This happened during the time He sent 70 disciples out before Him, into various cities (Luke 10:17-20, KJV).  Some translations say 72 or 70 and 2 disciples – the confusion comes from YaHshua telling them to go out, “Two by two”, 70 or 72 is either 35 or 36 pairs, you decide.  They went out in pairs and reported back to YaHshua, telling how they had power to heal and tht even demons obeyed them --   “Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through Your Name (Luke 10:17).   It is at this point YaHshua says He saw Satan Fall -- He said to them, "I saw Satan having fallen like lightning from heaven (Luke 10:18).  These disciples tell us that they had power over devils by the use of His Name.  So, what was the Name they would have been using?  
Correcting 1900 + years of Deception
   We need to notice here, that our Lord’s Name was not and is not, JESUS (GeezUs), as the KJ version of the Bible has it (a name many others pronounce as HeyZeus).  In the Old English it would be JOSHUA (YaHshua), a Name still found in the Bible, not lost as some continue in the lie.  And at that time, around 30 AD, the name JESUS never existed but His Name Joshua pronounced originally as YaHshua did exist and was the very Name our Lord was given at Birth - Commanded to give Him at Birth.

(Luke 1:30) The angel said to her, "Don't be afraid, Miriam, for you have found favor with God.
(Luke 1:31) Behold, you will conceive in your womb, and bring forth a son, and will call His Name 'YaHshua.'
(Luke 1:32-33) He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High. The FATHER God will give him the throne of his father, David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever. There will be no end to his Kingdom."

His Holy Name was and still is, YaHshua and this is actually how it was pronounced, originally, in the Old English, Joshua -- the J letter was changed from the Hebrew Yod pronunciation to the J sound -- still, many in the Northern European countries pronounce the modern J as it was pronounced originally.  Remember, when you read the Bible, the Christian translators have replace our Lord’s Holy Name, a name given to Him at birth, with a different Name.  For more information on this go to --

Back to the Fall of Satan:  There is an apparent contradiction concerning this Fall of Satan.  Much later, around 90 AD,  the Apostle John was shown a vision, a recording, of sorts, showing Satan being tossed from Heaven at a different time –

(Rev 12:9 KJV)  And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceives the whole world: he was cast out into (or onto) the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

There would appear to be a contradiction in “timing”, as opposed to our Lord’s words and witness recorded in Luke 10:18. John’s vision comes nearly 60 years later from when our Lord said He saw Satan's fall.  Not only that but John’s recorded vision, as shown to him, places this Fall of Satan After YaHshua had ascended into Heaven? So, what gives?   We need to sort this out for a very important reason; many are teaching that Satan is in the Heaven of heavens, today, and is accusing us day and night before the Throne. The solution is a simple one, as you will see, but first let’s have a look at this popular teaching from the pulpits of the mighty.  Wait, I said the solution is simple, but when a doctrine is taught for so long and accepted by so many, then sometimes it is more complicated, not in the Word but in the mind.  What the Word says and what the popular teaching is, are two different things, as you will see.

(Rev 12:10 KJV)  And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

The popular teaching among the Christian teachers and preachers is that this is continuing today – using this single verse -- we are to believe that Satan is still in Heaven and accusing us constantly for every small and large slip and, well, for being flesh and blood.  This false teaching, the twisting of this verse, has been accepted by millions.  Satan is accusing us, day and night, before God our Father, before the Throne in Heaven, and before our Savior Himself – so they teach.  But is this true, really true?  Is Satan pointing his crooked finger in the face of YaHshua, chattering away about how evil we are, making sure to notice every little slip and fall?  Really?  Not according to the truth.  Not according to the Word.  Not according to the verse used in the twisting of the truth.  

The first thing you should notice is that this verse is in “past tense”, a statement of fact made AFTER he, Satan, is cast down – He is no longer before God or the Throne of God.  Read it again, “For the accuser of our brethren is cast down…”  The Accuser, Satan, is cast down, no longer before God.  How plainer or clear could it be?  And yet, I have heard preachers and teachers and members of various groups use this verse to say that Satan is in Heaven right this minute, standing before the Throne making accusations against us.    

When he, Satan, was before God, he was accusing the saints day and night -- that was when the Devil still had access. Israel, those counted among the “saints” is also a reference to our brethren in the worship of the True God, YaHWeH.  And now, today, YaHshua, the one who defeated Satan and took the power of the grave, death, away from him --

(Heb 2:12) saying, "I will declare your name to my brothers. In the midst of the congregation I will sing your praise."
(Heb 2:13) Again, "I will put my trust in him." Again, "Behold, here I am with the children whom the FATHER has given Me."
(Heb 2:14) Since then the children have shared in flesh and blood, He also Himself in like manner partook of the same, that through death He might bring to nothing him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,
(Heb 2:15) and might deliver all of them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
(Heb 2:16) For most certainly, He doesn't give help to angels, but He gives help to the seed of Abraham.

It would be unreasonable to think that our Savior, YaHshua, is sitting next to our Heavenly Father, in Heaven, and Satan, that old Devil whom YaHshua defeated, is still standing in their presence accusing believers?  This would be insane, but it is something being taught.  Why?  Because of the word, "brethren" -- the accuser of our brethren ..., forgetting that this is also a reference to the First Brethren of our Lord, Israel, specifically the Judah (YaHudah) also called, Saints and Brethren -- not forgetting that John is from the tribe of Judah himself.  (Ps 50:5, 106:16 & Dan 8:13, and many other verses)

The word, “saints” is not exclusive to believers in the Son of the Living God, it is first used in reference to those believers in Ancient Israel who worshipped YaHWeH.  We read about the “saints” in the Old Covenant, long before the “saints” of the New Covenant are mentioned, and these too, are our brethren, long before we were called.  The “brethren” of Israel came before us, as well, and from the prophetic writings of those Saints, we learn about our Savior, YaHshua.  They had to endure the rantings of Satan before the very Throne of God but we are covered by the Blood of the Lamb, shielded from his “accusations”, which would make such activity today nonsense.  Satan cannot and is not before the Throne today, as we can see and will see --

Notice, this verse is proclaiming the Power of the Christ, YaHshua – “Now is …. come the Power of His Christ” --  Satan is diminished and YaHshua is elevated.  How is it the Power is proclaimed and “salvation” is proclaimed and still Satan would be allowed to stand before the Throne?  This verse proclaims the victory or our Savior and the displacement of Satan.  

Still, we have the apparent contradiction about the timing of Satan’s Fall -- Satan cast down, in this record, is not from Heaven, not at all, but from His attempt to get back to Heaven.  He is moving FROM EARTH, with his angels in an attempt to get back into Heaven – see the context of the surrounding verses.  He is not being cast out of Heaven, he is not being allowed back in – he is the one that used to be the accuser before the throne.  The casting down of Satan and his angels comes as they attempt to escape Earth and follow YaHshua into Heaven – Michael and his angels stop them.  What we have is an Earth bound Satan, attempting to regain a position in Heaven, so he is no longer, “before God”.  See it?  YaHshua saw Satan coming, falling to earth and it is after our Lord’s resurrection that Satan tries to go back but is stopped.

The popular teaching, however, is that Satan is “before God” as our accuser.  This is something every believer should be concerned about.  Too many are troubled by this idea that our sins are continually being brought up and presented to our Heavenly Father by our enemy, Satan.  Imagine, Satan laying evil charges, even true charges, against our every move and thought?  What happens to our thinking if this is true?  The very idea would be a torment to every believers soul, wouldn’t it?  Guilt, continual guilt and fear of Satan, when we should actually be in the comfort of our Heavenly Father’s Holy Spirit, embraced by the knowledge that our sinful nature is being covered by our Savior’s Blood, knowing we are forgiven and blessed in knowing our sins are covered by His Blood, shed for us on the cross.  We do not need an accuser to convict our spirit with His Spirit and to repent of any error we may fall into.  His Blood is worthy,  like a great blanket covering, keeping our sinful nature hidden, really, so we can come to the Throne in prayer, as innocent children.  

The false teaching that Satan is there, in front of the Throne, pointing out our every flaw and slip and mis-thought, and if true, would be removing this protective covering of His Holy Blood over us.  Give this some thought, as we move forward and uncover the real truth about the Fall of Satan, and where He is today, and where He is not.

John’s Vision – A Contradiction?

In Revelation 12 the sequence of events says that Satan and His angels were cast out of Heaven AFTER our Lord had been resurrected.  This seems to contradict YaHshua’s own, personal, witness, as some suggest, but is it really, does it?  We have already given one view that proves it is not.  After Satan is seen by YaHshua coming down to Earth like a bolt of lightning, we never read again about any attempt to return to Heaven, not until we are given this account in Revelation 12.

The solution to this is simple, very simple, once understood, as already mentioned.  In fact, I struggled to answer this for some time, months even, once I understood the basic teaching coming from the Christian community to be false I was able to get past the popular teaching.  It is hard to overcome things once accepted as a truth,  a certain bias enters in and our minds, sometimes, fight to maintain that we were not and are not fooled – you know, it sounds good and we accept it only to find out we had been fooled?  That is a hard pill to swallow and some just refuse to believe it.  But we have to overcome this false teaching because it actually ends up denying the Blood covering of YaHshua, leaving us, technically, unable to come before the Throne in prayer.  

It is worth repeating:  This false teaching is telling us, the believer, that Satan is there, before the Throne, day and night, accusing us.  If this were true then Satan would be blocking our spiritual presence, a presence made possible by the covering of our Lord’s Sacrificial Blood.  Not only that, it would be an “In Your Face, YaHshua”, from Satan, taking the power for what He did away, making a mockery of the whole teaching and the Ultimate Sacrifice our Savior, YaHshua, made for us.  He who is now next to God the Father, is not having to listen to the accuser.  The Accuser is imprisoned on this Earth with his angels.  He tried to make it back but could not, he was stopped.  Let’s read it again –

(Rev 12:10 NIV-84) Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: "Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His Christ. For the accuser of our brothers, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.  

Notice the transition of Power and Authority and the Kingdom to YaHshua, the Anointed of God the Father?  The Accuser at this point is “cast down”.  After all, it is by the Blood of YaHshua that we, too, are able to defeat him, Satan (Heb 9:14-15).  The clear word, read as it is written puts Satan on Earth and no longer in Heaven accusing accusing anyone, he is on Earth with his demon angels, defeated by the Blood of YaHshua.  But, when was this casting down and how does it not contradict what our Lord recorded before He returned to Heaven -- when He said that He saw Satan's fall,like lighten down to the Earth?

I know, I am repeating but this needs to be said and understood, so we can come to grips with what is actually being said and recorded.  Satan is a crafty being and has been around a long, long time, and has been honing his skills in shaping man’s opinions and helping to shadow our thinking.  The answer to this problem is simple, as I said, but first we need to clear away the misdirection Satan has caused by the use of religion to create a foggy covering over the minds of men – teachings that direct away from the salvation of our Lord, YaHshua.

(Rev 1:4-6 YSRB 2017) John, to the seven assemblies that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from the FATHER (Abba), who is and who was and who is to come; and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne; and from YaHshua the messiah, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us, and washed us from our sins by His blood;  and He made us to be a Kingdom, priests to His God and FATHER; to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.

Keep these verses in mind as we venture into the Vision of Revelation 12, concerning the Fall of Satan and the false allegation the he continues to be in Heaven, continually accusing us, the believers who confess YaHshua as the one and only Savior, having defeated Satan.  How can Satan, in the above environment be accusing anyone before the Throne?  He can’t and he isn’t because he is trapped here on this Earth – his prison and the prison of his demon angels too.  

    Read those verses again -- there are Seven Spirits before His Throne, and no mention of Satan?  And, because of His Blood, we are MADE Kings and Priests to God and Father?  This picture is very different from what is being taught by others concerning what is revealed in Revelation 12.  We need to remember, as well, that Chapter 12, is an update, of sort, and historical update as to what happened, not what is happening.  Going to the physical record of the events mentioned and we see that all of this is something that had already happened.

   The Accuser is cast down, he is not in Heaven accusing anyone because He has been overcome by YaHshua and by the Blood Covering of YaHshua, we too are victorious – this is revealed in this Chapter 12, verse 11 – “They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb…”.  

    It is not by our power but by His, and by His Blood that we overcome Satan.  Our sins are covered and so it is by His Blood our sins are no longer visible.  I don’t know how many different ways to say it?  Certainly the Christian community teaches the Blood Covering but then so many of them turn right around and deny this POWER (2 Tim 3:5) over evil by teaching that Satan is still in the game and accusing us, continually, before God.  This is a denial of the Power given to YaHshua, a power passed on to us.  Not because we deserve it, no, not at all, our Creator knows what sinful creatures we are and does not need to be reminded, day and night, that we are only dirt.  But no more, Satan and his angels are cast down to Earth and the Blood Sacrifice of our Lord shuts their mouths.  

The Dragon Cast a Third of the Angels Down to Earth

(Rev 12:4)  And his (Satan's) tail drew the third part of the stars (Angels) of Heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the Dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. KJV

In Rev 12 :4, we read that Satan, that old Red Dragon (verse 3) was able to cast his own rebel angels to the earth, we are not, however, told the exact timing of this particular event -- when he caused the fall and casting down of that 1/3 of angels that were in Heaven, but it is clear, Satan is the one responsible for corrupting Heaven and a third of the angels.  This major, Heavenly event, certainly appears to be an event before Satan comes to Earth with a plan to destroy the Savior of God -- The Ancient of Days (Dan 7:9-14; 21-22).   His, Satan’s, first attempt occurred at the Birth of our Savior.  He, Satan, used the evil king Herod in an effort to destroy the One Anointed Child at birth (Mat 2:13).  This verse 4 also tells us that Satan had decided to make the earth his base of operation and then, after he did this, he sat back waiting for the birth of our Savior, anticipating the time he hoped to devour the First Born Son of The Living God.  Up to this time, Satan appears to have had access to Heaven, at his own leisure -- Job 2:1.  But the Anointed Child escaped this treacherous plan, Mary and Joseph were warned and told to escape into Egypt -- Mat 2:13.  Who knows how many children were put to the sword – Herod had commanded his troop to kill all those two years and under, and it is by this command that we know the Anointed Child could have been as much as two years old.  This is a demonstration that, while vicious and evil, not even the demon angels nor Satan himself, can see into the future -- remember, they live in the Dark and only pretend to angels of light -- 2 Cor 11:14.   

Many times Satan tried to incite others to capture and kill our Savior, but every attempt failed – then came the time, the time of the crucifixion – something our Lord volunteered for and did not resist there was to be an the appropriate time.  Satan was given the power to kill YaHshua.  Did he know He, YaHshua, would be raised back to life?  I don’t believe anyone did, it had never been done before – never had anyone from Heaven ever died and been brought back.  Certainly flesh and blood had been brought back – case in point, Lazarus, but never had anyone from Heaven suffered death.  Make no mistake, our Lord came from Heaven, His place of origin.  In order to suffer death, for us, as the supreme sacrifice, He would have to become flesh, because the eternal Spirit cannot die.  This had never been done before.  This plan for the Eternal Word to become flesh and the willingly die, trusting the Father Spirit to bring you back to Life Eternal, would be a First.  And it would be Satan's hope and his plan to see this fail.  But God the Father raised YaHshua back to life and then “snatched Him up into Heaven and to the Throne” -- Satan’s plan had failed, again.  His first attempt had been at Bethlehem, the slaughter of the innocent, by the command of King Herod, a Beast Satan could influence.  Later YaHshua’s own town folk tried to throw Him off a cliff and then there were other attempts along the way to the Cross, but it was not His time and He escaped each attempt.  It is not hard to see Satan’s hand in all of this, pushing others to do his dirty work.  Satan is no fool, but he can be fooled, and apparently, he had no clue concerning the resurrection back to life by someone from Heaven (John 17:5, John 6:38).  Satan was focused on Earth and what was going on as he and his demon angels plotted and planned ways to kill YaHshua -- Not being able to see that they were part of the plan the Father and the Son had already determined.  

Satan is ultimately defeated in his purpose to destroy the First born of God, the Ancient of Days.  At first it might look like Satan had won the battle, after all, he had orchestrated the killing of YaHshua.  But another kind of “birth” takes place, a “rebirth” from the dead, literally conquering death, something, I believe, Satan could not comprehend -- Kill the Savior and no one would be saved and prove mankind unfit for eternity and by this, Satan and his thugs would maintain their position -- no problem, except, YaHshua is resurrected, brought back to life, HIs former Glory restored, and taken up to Heaven to sit next to His Heavenly Father as the First Born.  And He is then given all Power and Authority.   YaHshua is snatched up to the Heaven where the Father is –

(Rev 12:5 NIV-84) She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up to God and to His throne.

Here is where the timing of events can be sketchy and should not rule in the making of doctrine -- written in stone, only information -- a child is born, a child meant to rule the nations.  From this verse we are told that this child was “snatched” up to Heaven right after His birth.  Because we already know of the actual sequence of events we know this did not happen until He had gone grown into and adult and had gone to the Cross, without having become the Ruler of all nations.  This single line of words mentions three events, but not in order.  If these three events had not already happened and we did not have foreknowledge from previous witnesses (the Gospels), someone might try and say that a child would rule the nations before being snatched up.  This is and example about how information is passed on and why we need to consider the context carefully.  Other verses have a similar mixture of Past, Future and Present or Future, Past, and Present, and still others, Present, Past and then Future.  

Satan failed to kill our Savior at birth, but did kill him on the Cross, but in death comes a new type of birth – YaHshua was “reborn”, this time from life in the flesh to eternal life.  Did Satan know this was going to happen?  We have already answered this, haven’t we?  He and his angels live in the dark and while they may see things sooner than we do they press on, unable to stop themselves from being used to further the Plan of Salvation, for, what he sees as his replacement.  Even the dead can live again, so what hope does the Devil and his angels have in destroying us?  None.  

It would seem that the concept of rebirth from death -- to be born again -- must have been questionable, or, at least, a questionable concept among those already living in Eternity, even among Satan and his demon angels.   Now, of course, we all know, and YaHshua is the First Born -- the first to literally be re-born.  Yes, dead people have been raised back to life.  Lazarus, as mentioned, but not re-born into eternity, only brought back to life in the flesh.  

The Snatching up of the Child, as we understand the Gospel records, came after His death and resurrection, not at the moment of His fleshly birth.  One more point, Lazarus, was dead, no doubt and brought back to life, but not life Eternal.  Lazarus was flesh being restored to living flesh, while our Lord, who came from Heaven, ;left His previous Glory to become one of us, in the flesh, to die in the flesh, and while the flesh could be restored the question remained as to whether or not this individual, from Heaven, living in a flesh and blood body, could be restored to a previous Glory -- could Eternal life in both Body and Spirit be possible?  We have our answer, and this answer, found in Yahshua’s resurrection, is our hope, and a promise made to us who Believe in the Son of the living God.  

John 6:38  For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of Him that sent me.

What happens next, after His resurrection and return to Heaven?   Satan rounds up all of the demon angels that he had himself placed (cast) on earth and then, later, he and his angels would chase after this Child, the First Born -- making a run for it, back to heaven -- literally chasing after YaHshua.  A we see the timing but He was intercepted by Michael and his angelic army and Satan and his angels were cast back down to earth.  The angels of Heaven rejoiced because, now, at that time, Satan and his angels would no longer have access to Heaven.  The Angels of Heaven had good reason to rejoice, the trouble makers were now trapped, or incarcerated (?) on earth.  

The Revelation 12, verse 6 problem:
Before moving on to the next event, following the sequence of events, we come to Revelation 12:6 -- this is injected into the middle of the narrative and needs its own study -- briefly -- the Woman is identified as Maryam, the mother of YaHshua and also as the nation of Israel, or, more precisely as Judah, sister to Israel -- and she is also identified as the first, New Covenant Church.  Notice, however, at this point, it is only the Child, our Messiah, that is snatched up to Heaven.  The confusion begins, among commentators, when we read about the 1260 days.  

(Rev 12:6) The woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by the FATHER , that there they may nourish her one thousand two hundred sixty days.

Some say this number is about the unfinished 70th week, which I am inclined to side with.  A biblical year is 360 days and a biblical, prophetic week, would be, 7 years or 2520 days.  The 1260 days would be, then, 3.5 years, the other half of our Lord's mission.  He was born and about the age of 30 began His ministry or mission but He was cut off in the middle of the week -- 3.5 years into His mission, He was crucified, leaving 3.5 years to complete.  

This is all my own calculating and not supposed to be exact or even a fact, only my own observations.  Many commentators have their own ideas about how all of this fits with the 70 weeks prophecy found in the Book of Daniel.  This verse has stumped and continues to stump many a prophecy teacher.  This verse, however, is injected into the timing sequence and not part of the events that follow the snatching up of our Lord to Heaven after His death and resurrection.  

The woman is seen as the Church or as Israel/Judah fleeing persecution, by many, and if that is the case, for either view, then that time, too, has past.  The Child is snatched up and the Woman flees or is taken to a place of safety.  The simplest of views may be that this is actually the Mother of YaHshua, being taken to a place of safety to finish out her days.  Some estimate her age at YaHshua's birth to be anywhere from 16 to 20.  YaHshua dies in the flesh on the cross at just over the age of 33, this would put Mary's age at around 50 years old.  Perhaps, she was taken to a place of safety for 3.5 years and put to rest in her middle years of 50 plus, we are not told, except for this verse that may be, within the context, about her and not the first Church.  But, if this is about the First Church how can it possibly be fit into the end times, just prior to our Savior's Return, as many have said or teach?

This verse, from that view point would suggest the First Church received protection from persecution for only 3.5 years, the 1260, and after that time they are no longer protected from the Beasts of the world.  This view, that this is all about the Church in the Future, as a fulfilment, or finishing of our Savior's Mission on Earth.  There is a connection, by the numbers, with this view, found in Revelation 11:3, concerning the Two Witnesses.  This would mean the DELAY theory is correct -- the 70 weeks prophecy from Daniel, marches ahead, in perfect order, prophetic week by prophetic week, leading up to our Lord's birth and death, then, just stops.  In the middle of the 70th week our Lord goes to Heaven, leaving the last week unfinished.  Almost 2,000 years have past and the Two Witnesses have not appeared to finish the ministry of YaHshua, in the flesh.  This is somehow tied to the 1260 that the Woman is taken to a place of safety?  The span of time seems unreasonable to me.  Maybe there are two, separate, events that should be applied using this number?  This 1260 may literally mean the First Church and if this is the view then where do we see this?  We do not -- reading the book of Acts and other writings from the Apostles we do not see the first Church protected.  The Jewish authority was allowed by the Beast of Rome to persecute the New Covenant Church from day one, beginning with the Crucifixion of our Lord.  For some 3-4 years the first converts to confess YaHshua as Savior, were chased after and persecuted from city to city, many of those in their own families who had turned to YaHshua as Messiah were allowed to be imprisoned while others were stoned.  Paul was one of those who carried out this persecution -- Acts 26:9-10.  This is why I have come to the conclusion that this is about Mary, the mother, and not about the first Church.  We read about the first believers and their flight into the wilderness in later verses, but for now let us pick the narrative back up, following the sequence of events, as they actually happened.  Leaving verse 6 behind --

(Rev 12:7-9 NIV-84) And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.  But he (Satan) was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven.  The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

War in Heaven?  We already read how the Dragon was after the Child and how Satan had already tossed or cause his angel supporters to be cast to Earth, so we have a view with Satan on Earth and his angels, all on earth, for the crucifixion and then War in Heaven?  Following the sequence we can see that Satan and his angels attempt a return to Heaven but are met by Michael and his angels and a war ensues with Satan and his angels losing that battle.  How many ways can it be said?  “…and they lost their place in heaven” --  “The great dragon was hurled down.” --  “He was hurled to earth, and his angels with him”?  The timing of this event appears to be sometime AFTER YaHshua’s resurrection and being snatched back up to Heaven, to the Throne, next to God the Father.   It would appear that Satan had marshalled his forces on Earth, but when he and his angels tired to return or regain their place in the Heaven of heavens they were denied and “hurled” BACK to Earth.  The question arises, then, is this when our Lord said He saw Satan Fall as lightening?  No, it seems that what our Lord YaHshua saw was Satan's fall to Earth.  Notice, Satan cause a third of the angels to be cast to earth -- their prison for rebellion, but Satan appears to still have access.  Satan is then cast down at the time our Lord mentioned this, before His crucifixion.  It would seem so – Satan and his angels, are already are on Earth, all of them and now seeking to get back.  Simple!  They are, however, met by another Angelic force and refuse entry and all of them, this time with their leader, Satan, that Red Dragon.  

Satan, the one called the Devil and the Red Dragon, that Serpent, cast to Earth to eat dirt, no longer has access to the Heavenly realm and has not right or ability to approach the Throne of the Father or the Son.  He was once able to complain and accuse people on Earth for their weakness.  Reading the Book of Job we clearly see this pattern.  But this is no more a possibility for him.  He is not in Heaven accusing us or anyone, he is on this Earth, and this is why the Angels of Heaven rejoice -- because he is no longer among them, causing trouble, but is now imprisoned on this Earth.  His kingdom of evil is trapped on this pinpoint in space, the planet we call, Earth.  


The contradiction comes with the Timing of Events, as mentioned before.  YaHshua clearly says, he witnessed the fall of Satan, and this years before a recorded event in the Book of Revelation seems to say?  How is this reconciled?  
   Many a teacher, preachers and prophecy writers, say that Satan is right now in Heaven accusing us before God day and Night?  I believe that by now you see how ludicrous this teaching is, right?  But let us rehash this some more.  Nailing it down, so to speak.

Our Lord saw Satan fall to earth, no question, right?  So, we begin with Satan being on Earth, not in Heaven.  We are also informed, from Revelation 12, that before YaHshua came in the flesh, Satan had caused his angels to be hurled to Earth.  It seems Satan was marshalling his forces for the battle to come.  But we do not see anything about Satan, himself, being hurled or falling to Earth, until later.  YaHshua give us this record and the timing of that event.  This means, that from that time, after the 70 disciples were sent out, Satan and his angels (demons) are on Earth, not in Heaven.

It is later, AFTER the death and resurrection of our Lord, that we see Satan and his angels attempting a reentry back into Heaven, but is stopped by Michael and his angel forces.  Picture this – Satan and his forces make a run back to Heaven, but are stopped in mid-space by Michael and his forces.  Then, having been stopped they are “hurled” back down to Earth, to the Earth they were trying to escape.  “Hurled down” does not mean anything other than that.  Multiple times we are told that Satan has lost his place in Heaven, he and his demon angels.  

Did I say the answer was “simple”?  Well, it is, when you see it, without all of the false teachings surrounding this event.  One has to get past the biased thinking. It is surprising how difficult this is.  Once a person or group or groups of people accept something as truth, and all of the other false teachings springing off from such and error, it is most difficult for the mind to accept and admit it has been fooled.  I struggled with this teaching for a long time, on and off, and once I had seen that Satan was already on Earth, along with his angels, it became clear.  

First off, Satan cannot be in Heaven, as we have read – Revelation 12, he and his angels have been HURLED DOWN, not UP, and this is consistent with the fact that Satan and his demons were already on Earth and are now still on Earth, not in Heaven, he is not standing before God.  

And no matter which side you take on this our Lord said He saw Satan fall from Heaven and in this vision given to John, Satan is hurled down from Heaven, as well as his rebel angels – not as though they were in Heaven but seeking to get back to Heaven.  Both accounts agree that Satan is not in Heaven, and was not in the Heaven of Heavens, he was leaving Earth in an attempt to get back into Heaven but was stopped and the Angels of Heaven rejoice because of this.  

(Rev 12:10 NIV-84) Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: "Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His Christ. For the accuser of our brothers, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.  (The accuser is hurled down, no longer there)

(Rev 12:11 NIV-84) They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death. (The Testimony is their acceptance of the Blood Covering or Sacrifice or YaHshua)

(Rev 12:12 NIV-84) Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short." (Rejoice?  Because Satan and his demon angels are no longer in Heaven -- also – “gone down” can also be translated as “cast down”, according to BDB and Strong’s Greek Dictionary #G2597)

Notice, earlier, Satan casts a third of the angels to Earth and he himself is seen to fall to Earth like a flash of lighting, witnessed by our Lord, around two years before our Lord goes to the Cross, dies, resurrects and returns to Heaven.  Satan is, at this time on Earth, he and his angels, all on earth at that time, then make a charge toward Heaven from Earth and are stopped by Michael and his angelic forces.   This all bears repeating and is important to understand because it answers this apparent contradiction.  Satan and his fallen angels are all on earth and it is only after YaHshua is resurrected and being snatched back up to Heaven that Satan and his angels attempt to leave Earth and follow after YaHshua. Satan is stopped by Michael at the border, so to speak and is cast BACK DOWN to Earth.  They never make it back to Heaven, Michael and his angels stop them, throwing them back down where they are trying to escape from, Earth.   

Not contradiction at all.  Simple, like I said.  Satan and his angels are imprisoned on this Earth.  There will be no space invasion, no UFO impostors, coming to pose as the false Messiah, they, or he, is already here, the pretender, the one who pretends to be the Angel of Light -- Satan, that Devil, the Red Dragon.  He is not and his demon angels are NOT in Heaven -- and everyone in Heaven rejoiced.  Satan and his angels are on this Earth, among us -- and all of the angels in Heaven said, Woe to those on Earth, for Satan is trapped and living among you.  

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