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Q: While I was going through your site I couldn't help but wonder if you believe in the trinity.

While I see your question is sincere I am a bit suspicious of such a brief question and seeing, after a time, no further response from you I can only guess that this was a “trip-up” question.  You know, one of those questions to expose me as a non-believer, or a heretic.  I know that this is a test question for many groups and some large Christian organization -- you have to believe in the Trinity Doctrine, as part of their creed, and it you do not then you are tagged as a false chirstian.  

For anyone reading this, I can assure you, I am a believer and this idea that the Trinity doctrine is the test doctrine for exposing false believers is rubbish – now read my answer. I personally do not judge those embracing this doctrine.  The doctrine is questionable and to establish a proof doctrine for determining who and who is not a believer is a false approach, but that is what is happening.  Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?  I have no problem with that but there is only ONE Father, period, then there is the Son, it is not ONE God composed of three equal gods. So, not my answer to Anthony.

A: No, Anthony, I do not believe the Trinity Doctrine.  It is simple, really, our Heavenly Father is Holy and He is the HOLY SPIRIT, there can be no other spirit Holy beside Him, and it is He that makes others Holy, like His holy angels – but notice, we are never called “holy man”, He has classified a “Holy People”, and certain men have been called “holy men” but not all people of this earth have that classification.  It is not the people, or person, that are “holy”, for He says “a holy people to Him” – the people in this classification have proven over and over they are far from being “holy” themselves.  This explains why YaHshua said that all sins would be forgiven except for sin against the Holy Spirit – sin against the Father for He is the HOLY SPIRIT.  

(Rom 8:11)  And if the Spirit of Him who raised YaHshua from the dead is living in you, He who raised the Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through HIS SPIRIT, who lives in you.

The full context of this verse demonstrates the HS is God the Father Himself, " living in you..." and , “…who lives in you...” -- twice stated so the interpretation is clear.  

The way the Christians, not all of them, of course, have it; God the Son and then God the Father and then the Holy Spirit – The Godhead of three in one, making one God. The Christian, Protestant Church has only recently accepted the Trinity doctrine as part of their creed, historically – again, not all Protestant, but those especially of the Separatist, most of whom flee religious suppression escaped to the New World, establishing the first Christian communities in the New World.  

The major Protestant groups, like the leader Luther, while acknowledging the Trinity Doctrine as a revelation from men still accepted it as a key doctrine and without it you could not expect Salvation.

The following quotes, from Luther, demonstrate an admission and then the acceptance of this doctrine.  Remember, Luther was the pivot point to the Protestant movement.  Others, however, like the Separatist, rebeled against the Roman teachings concerning the "revelation of new doctrines".  Luther, remaining true to this Trinity or truine doctrine, is found in the writings his writings and then, supposed revelations by men.

The Admission:

It is indeed true that the name "Trinity" is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man. (Luther Martin. The Sermons of Martin Luther, Church Postil, 1522; III:406-421

The Acceptance:

That Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, three distinct persons in one divine essence and nature, are one God, who has created heaven and earth...Concerning these articles there is no contention or dispute, since we on both sides confess them. Therefore it is not necessary now to treat further of them. (Luther Martin. The Smallclad Papers. 1537. Translated by F. Bente and W. H. T. Dau Published in: _Triglot Concordia: The Symbolical Books of the Ev. Lutheran Church_. (St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1921), pp. 453-529).

 Actually, this doctrine of the Roman Church has more than a trinity of gods.  When you look at the Catechism of the Catholic Church we find there is God the Son, God the Father, God the Holy Spirit and God the Mother.  In fact, the Mother is elevated above the son -- the Queen of Heaven (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1995 Edition, page 274 (966).  The female deity of the Roman Church is worshiped as sinless from her birth and to have remained a virgin, even after giving birth to our Savior.  She is placed above our Messiah as our intercessor and is prayed to intercede on our behalf.  YaHshua, our Savior, by their teachings becomes a second class citizen in Heaven.  Father, Queen, son, and then the Holy spirit, eqauls four.

 This foursome of gods actually breaks the “trinity doctrine” but most do not seem to mind or make a point of this.  The Mother god, called the Queen of Heaven, the Mother of God and the Wife of God the Father.  It does not end there -- you have at least four Gods but this does not take into account all of the “saints” relegated to godhood (sainthood) and to whom people also pray to and make requests for protection, for miracles too, all the things they should be asking the True God.  But  many prayers go out to these mini gods. How many "saints" or mini gods are there anyway?  It seems that like the pagans these lesser mini gods represent every trade and occupation there is.  If you are a carpenter then there is a saint you can pray to, there is even a mini god, or saint, for bowlers.  Just as the pagans had a god for everything so to the Roman Catholics.  Truly, a daughter of the original Babylonian religion and it is from this back drop the Protestants have taken and accepted the Trinity Doctrine.

(1Jn 4:12-13)  No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and HIS love is made complete in us. We know that we live in HIM and HE in us, because HE has given us of HIS Spirit.

So, what is this SPirit, that lives in us?  His Spirit, it is HIM, so the HOLY SPIRIT is God Himself and He shares Himself with our Savior, so we are all bound to HIM, to Them.  This is why you do not find a name for the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit is our Heavenly Father so His Name is the Name of the Holy Spirit. There is not Trinity of three equaling one god.  

The Queen of Heaven is said to sit at the right hand of the Father, her Husband, just as Semiramis sat beside Nimrod from the pagan past and had a son by miraculous birth -- the original Trinity.  Scripture, however, says it is the Son that sits at the right hand of the Father (Rom 8:34, Mark 14:62, Heb 1:3).  

Well, it seems, I am getting carried away in this simple answer to your question, Anthony.  

For more on this go to the following links -- Holy Spirit and Trinity

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